Katie Holmes Ordered To Attend "Mommy Classes"

Here Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes were snapped at Cut steakhouse in the Beverly Wilshire Hotel on Monday. Katie’s peep-toe pumps are gorgeous!

Katie Holmes & Tom Cruise

Katie Holmes has hardly left Tom Cruise’s side since they began dating in April 2005.

However, that support has caused her grief. According to one Hollywood insider, Katie, who gave birth to daughter Suri last year, has been told by Tom to attend “mommy classes” taught by Scientologists.

(“There are parenting classes,” a Scientology source confirms.)

“Katie was quite offended by that,” the source tells Us magazine. “Can you imagine when you’re 28 and have your first child to be told you need to go to this church to become a better mom?”
Katie now finds herself surrounded by fellow Scientologists (an exception is Victoria Beckham, who one Hollywood insider describes as “a link to the outside world”).

From the time Katie and Tom began dating, the actress – who, pre-Cruise, did interviews without a publicist – has been assigned a Scientology “minder,” whose job, according to a Scientology expert, is “to make sure that nothing is said or done that would be critical of the church.”

In fact, virtually everyone on the couple’s staff is a Scientologist. Says the source, “Everyone who works with Tom is technically minding Katie.”

Sounds very creepy…hopefully it is just silly nonsense and not true!

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  1. Libraesque says

    nelly, you’re sadly mistaken….I know what irony is, you clearly don’t.

    and you know that I haven’t read shakespeare because…………OH right, you don’t know anything about me.

    jackass

  2. nell says

    Libraesque–I’m so amused by your attempt to be intelligent when clearly your IQ is below intellectually challanged. Your sad use of the word Irony would be funny except that 900 of your cohorts would probably use irony in the same capacity and this is why the world or rather the english language has gone to hell. Irony, my friend, is not what you described–shakespeare was ironic, but you, having never read shakespeare, wouldn’t know that. Look up the word in a dictionary and see that you don’t know what it is. Now, yes, i wish you would plant a tree and meditate on how stupid you actually are, you might just find that you are the only true jackass around.

  3. Libraesque says

    nelly, I’m not quite sure you’re comprehending the magnitude of your jackassness
    You’re on a BABY SITE, telling people to plant trees.
    I have a suggestion for you, quit telling people what to do and how to live their lives and spend their time
    No ones listening to you, and no one cares what you have to say
    If you’re too retarded to realize that at this point then by ALL means, keep wasting YOUR time by coming back here over and over JUST to tell people they’re losers

    girls……..she’s just doesn’t get the irony

  4. nell says

    And you are all still losers because you keep posting on this site instead of making better use of your time instead of wasting your time talking nonsense here, here are some ideas you might entertain: volunteer at shelter or hospital; start a petition to impeach G. Bush, you know all you really need are 1000 signatures and, well with 900 comments, I’m sure that won’t be hard; write a letter to a local governonr or someone who can improve something in the place you live; plant a tree; be nice to someone; get a life, but please find something else to do with your time other than post here.

  5. libraesque says

    nelly, the only pathetic jackass here is YOU. Who comes to a site with 900 comments just to comment on the posters?
    so basically you’re such a loser that you read through 850 comments before commenting yourself???
    hahahahahahahahahaha
    what a nincowpoop

  6. Xenafan96 says

    HIYA ALL!! Smooches to Oriana for the well wishes :*
    Of course, to all the other girlies here too, Mia, Amy, Libra, ShadowG,Sally-hola!
    Yes, I did disappear to the sunny beaches of Cabo for a SURPRISE Mother’s Day retreat….I thought I was going to the airport to pick up a body! By golly, that plane took my body straight to sun and sand. I was totally blindsided by the hubby and kids, and it was wonderful!! 8 whole days of no dead people, swimming, snorkeling, and other sundry delights ;). Got back and amazingly enough the business ran just fine without us. Whew!!!
    Back home now and wrapping up the day here, but I had to let you all know I was still alive lol!!
    Hi Nell! I see you have met the girls. Enjoy your visit! 🙂

  7. oriana says

    I hope Xena isn’t sick or anything like that! Maybe she is on a much deserved vac? Anyway, I hope she is okay.

  8. Shadow Girl says

    Oh PUH-LEEZE, Nell!

    This is nothing we all haven’t heard a million times before. Your rants fall on deaf ears around here. You can’t deter us, no matter how hard your tiny little peabrain strains!

    Kiss my fat hairy ass, U can’t stop us!

    Or are you Jackie in disguise, hmm?

    I want you to shut the fuck up, but since that won’t happen, go get drunk and maybe some of your incoherent ramblings will get you in trouble.

  9. says

    Sorry Nell..you are the one who came on here to leave insults so you got a reply,deal lady..LIB must have hit a home run ahahahhah

    I happen to like LIBS comments that bore you so much

    If she bores you why are you here anyway..you must be projecting..is your life really that boring….awww poor nelly

    LIB still wins the NOBEL price..you win the ghetto streetwalker award…

    I am enjoying having you here..come back again so ya hear, so we can play some ball

    ahahhahah

  10. nell says

    AH… Libraesque, we all know who you are by your give away phrase of DUMB ASS–you’re the stupid freak who kept posting and posting tthe same boring phrase, dumb ass. So, here it is ladies: when you resort to cursing someone out instead of replying intelligently you look like dumb asses. Again, you are stupid, insipid, boring, pathetic, sad, absurd, small-lived, puny, freaks who have nothing better to do with their time than respond to me and to tom cruise and katie holmes.

    Further, you can’t stand to hear about the war or current events because you are so stupid, but my friends, the war is life, not little suri….

  11. oriana says

    Kelly Preston makes me SICK!!!! And I would love just one time when they are on Oprah doing their lovefest and kissy face with her, if she would have the guts to come out and ask questions about Autism to them and watch them squirm and weasel their way out of it!

    Jett is huge, and I bet they are ashamed of him! Just plain pitiful!

  12. Miapocca says

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    Scroll to see Jett now

  13. MIAPOCCA says

    Did someone inquire about Jett Travolta a while back

    I stumbled on a story..the comments are hilarious..my faves are

    Posted by: Dr. Bob at May 11, 2007 01:16 AM

    John Travolta does nothing to treat his son’s autism because L.Ron Hubbard did not write an instruction book for it. The only thing that Hubbard suggests for people in this condition is his process called R2-45, which is essentially death by using a handgun. This is an actual Scientology process. Hubbard thinks that the person is better to ‘end cycle’ and come back again in a new body. That is Scientology compassion for you.

    I think that this restaurant owner is pefectly entitled to be outraged at Travolta. Travolta is a man in a position of power who could do much to help his own son and the children of others. He chooses not to.
    ______

    Posted by: Travoltaisagoof at May 11, 2007 02:59 PM

    Not only does Kelly Preston shill for scientology, she also advertises for Neutrogena skin cream. Neutrogena is owned by Johnson & Johnson. Johnson & Johnson owns Ortho McNeil Neurologics who produce “Haldol”, and Janssen who produces “Risperdal” and “concerta”.
    These drugs are used in the treatment of ADD & Postpartum Depression.
    I have met John Travolta and also got a glimpse of Jett, who at the age of 13, was sitting in front of the T.V. watching Barney. Jett is morbidly obese and gets very little exercise.
    Jett is confined to the hotel room with his nannies, while daddy goes to the spa to hit on the male therapists.
    Scientology will never help Jett, as he is considered a “degraded being” according to their tenants.

    http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/archives/travolta_family_travesty_wild_hogs_star_gives_own_autistic_son_the_silent_treatment.phtml

  14. oriana says

    Poor Sweeney, he let those master manipulators push his buttons! He did look like a maniac!

    Do the Scientols have super connections at YouTube? How can they force them to take anything down, but I guess they get scared and tired of being threatened with lawsuits all the time! I just wonder how many lawsuits have ever been brought against the Scientol organization?

  15. MIAPOCCA says

    Now I think I will go over and spew some thrash on Jordans blog ahahhahahha she has two “clams” on there defending her

  16. Libraesque says

    mia, doesn’t “nell” sounds shockingly like “jennifer” from tkc?????
    where DOES she come up with ALL these names????

  17. Miapocca says

    A submission for the Nobel price in literature, astoudingly clever and well written
    ________
    NELL, fuck off
    only a wretched, boring, inspid, freakish, sad, obnoxious, uncaring, ridiculous, absurd, freak would appear for the first time on a thread with 800+ comments and be such a douchebag

    GET OUT, no one wants to here your dumbass ranting, you lunatic
    _______________
    The judges voted unanimously to award LIB the nobel Price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. Libraesque says

    mia, scientology has clips removed from yuotube all the time, I wonder why the journalist have it taken down?

  19. Libraesque says

    NELL, fuck off
    only a wretched, boring, inspid, freakish, sad, obnoxious, uncaring, ridiculous, absurd, freak would appear for the first time on a thread with 800+ comments and be such a douchebag

    GET OUT, no one wants to here your dumbass ranting, you lunatic

  20. Miapocca says

    It was funny though watching the scientology disbursed clip..Sweeney came across like a maniac ahahhahahha
    It was hilarious

    Then I watched the Panoroma program which put the blow up in perspective and I was like ooooooooooohhh so thats what led up to the you tibe clip.

    Now I wonder who is practicing irresponsible journalism and cant people get sued for harrasing a hournalist in the intimisating and aggressive in your face manner that this dude did to sweeney…

  21. Sally says

    Oh Nell…you must be a lonely little kitty. For here you are trying to start a little ole fight via cyber. Why don’t you take that wasted anger and do some good for yourself and buy some Yoga classes. You really need to learn how to chill. I mean really…why are you back since your so disgusted (and hateful)? Is that you have no friends and you need validation that someone out there will listen to your rants? When you need a cyber hug, come on back…we will be waiting. Piss (oops…I mean) Peace to you!

  22. Miapocca says

    ohooo…Nell is you have all those toys and you are still bored enough to come by here, then why are you recommending it us…..

    I think I will explore the vibrator option further, but I cant use it al the time, so that means I still have to come on here to chat…hmmmmmmmmpoor pathetic me..ahahhahhaha

  23. nell says

    The last 10 post came from the saddest most hard up bunch of female freaks ever to walk the plant. If you deserved the respect, I’d address all of you individually, but you don’t deserve it. GET LIVES, GET MEN, GET VIBRATORS, or pictures of Tom cruise or whatever else will get you off…but most of all get a brain and think about people other than tom cruise and katie holmes, you poor pathetic, wretched, boring, inspid, freakish, sad, obnoxious, uncaring, ridiculous, absurd, freaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  24. oriana says

    I can’t stand Kelly Preston, oddly enough, I do like John. I guess his brother isn’t a Scientol then, I wonder if John’s sister is or is she still living?

  25. Libraesque says

    NELL, shut up
    this is a baby GOSSIP site not some war protest site/make the world a better place site

    Mia, what’s REALLY pathetic about these FAKES is they wait till someone dies then USE the publicity to promote this CULT

    I don’t see these freaks reaching out to Pete D, who has been on the verge of od’ing for years

    If Travolta was “friends” with Anna why DIDN’T he reach out to her?
    WHY? because narconon has a ZERO success rate and if they publicily recruited one of these wayward high profile dope addicts they know they wouldn’t actually be cured with flinstones and jazzercise and then they’d be EXPOSED for the frauds they are

    tom cruise claim that HE has cured HUNDREDS of addicts himself is infuriating

    arrogant fucking douchebag

  26. MIAPOCCA says

    Kelly Preston wen on Montel and Oprah with her Kawasaki syndrome story..note

    1: On MOntel you took some LRON self proclainmed toxicologists

    2: On Oprah , she left them at home..ahhaha:)

    I think the scieno are afraid of Oprah ahahhaha or she may have warned them to to push anythign controversial on her show

    In any case Kelly Preston needs to down with a serious disease that will make her seek a doctor to get her head cleared…she is the most annoying oof the bunch, almost wore than midget, but since she doesnt get that much publicity we dont see her making an arse out of herself often…she and he gay husband claim they could have helped Anna Nicole Smith on Narconon ahhaha

  27. oriana says

    Why are my comments awaiting moderation?

    Kelly Preston is pitiful if she cares more about L. Ron Bubbard than her own son! What is up with this!!!!!

  28. Shadow Girl says

    Hey Nell, go get back on your fuckin’ vibrator and leave us the fuck alone.

    Woohoo, Tom Cruise is a lying fraud bastard and seriously needs psychiatric help.

    Soon, Suri will go to her real dad’s house for her father’s day. Old Cruise really needs to lose the man boobs and double chin. They say he’s vegetarian, but I think he’s doing that just so he can win over that part of the populace. What the hell is a vege going to steakhouses all the time anyway?

    Cruise and pro $cienos, I think it’s time you drank the drugged kool aid and go over to area 51. The spaceship will be here shortly.

  29. Miapocca says

    Great article..I think I shoudl post this for ANNE..to see if her minute peanut can comprehend just a little bit ahahhahahha

  30. Sally says

    Mia…regarding the Fox aticle/poll, I smell clam chowdah! I am simply NOT surprised on this. Oh, and Nell….for someone that is disgusted, then why did YOU take the 3-4 mins to leave comment? If you had such a life…you wouldn’t have had the time. Don’t be so judgemental. Peace to you “sweetheart” !

  31. MIAPOCCA says

    Oh my God…these subjective narrow mined people are just pricless

    1: First of all . you do not know anything about anyone on here so you cannot asumme that they do not have worthwile jobs

    2: A person has a choice to spend thier time anyway they want withtout bringing harm to ppl and thier environment. If someone choses to eat instead of exercise, they are alloed, if someone choses ti indulge in writing opinions and interacting with others online, it is thier choice

    3: I could easily conclude that you are the 856th comment and thus can be grouped in the same classification you made up for those ppl who have shared their opinions here

    4: Its really really sad when people make assumptions based on their life. Just because you have nothing to do and you stopped by this boars, doesnt mean we are equally loser with nothing to do…Poor you…you rlife must be pretty empty if you have come on here and inflict unprovoked insults on people you dont even know

    5: Get to job showing some love and repsect to yourself , then you will find it within yourself to extend that respect to others. Why not take the elkad in sighning the petitions and whatever else you choose to do with your time. I respect your right to sign a petition on behalf of Paris Hilton

    Ciao

  32. nell says

    I cannot believe that 855 have nothing better to do than to post comments about tom cruise and katie holmes. If 855 people got together and signed a petition or went and protested this country might be in a better place.
    Get lives my friends!

  33. MIAPOCCA says

    Question…what do american have against the word FAT..I am a little confused as to why so many people think of it as a negative word

    And I have folks on the brigette monihan blog, acting like I just murdered their kid by using the word fat , not in referene to them but to myself

    I dont think FAT is a bad word neither should it be..OBESE is not a bad word either..I dont think the word in the problem , rather people hiding behind their obesity by demonizing the word that that in actual fact is a neutral word…

  34. MIAPOCCA says

    Leah Rimini is pretty funny..I watched her wedding on one of the tv shows a while back..her husband is also goodlooking..so I am sure they made a beautiful child…

    She follows JLO everywhere even to American Idol…the thing is she is recruiting and if anyone has an idea what scientology is about and how they behave, its quite obvious…the itneresting thing is when they deny it in the media….
    Orianna siad it before..if you think your cult and actions are normal you should have no qualms about disclosing all you do the public…but obviously the beleive in their lies as well..Besided JLO has started using scieno slang as was docemented durign american idol hahahha

    Travoltas brother has supported certain documentaries and activites on Autism./.Kelly the bitch who will not seek proper medical help for a child she claims to love says her son has kawasakis syndrom that can be treated with LRON methodology
    When a mother does not take the neccessary actions to ensure health of their child, especailly with all the resources they have, they shoudl be in JAIL…for negligence and attempted murder..Travolta on teh other hand is nto overly vocal about the cult and runmor has it he tried to leave adn like cruise they have quite a lot of dirt on him and he will have to forfiet his family….however they seem to be trying to make another son to make up for the one they already have…I think a medical investigation shoudl review the health of Jett…see if practices durign pregnance and those silent birth methods had anything to do with what is goign on, if it is to autism…

    Back to reading all the stories….I am craving an episode of law and order…ciao

  35. MIAPOCCA says

    I picked this up from the psychos on tkc

    _________
    Tom is a CHEAT
    May 12, 2007 at 9:02 am

    I suggest all the Tom Cruise fans who quote statistics on polls, lists etc. click this link and read the following article as it is very enlightening.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192197,00.html

    Disgusting and typical at the same time.
    _________

    The link is an interesting read..just as I alwyas suspected…the scieno actually buy their own books to shift it up the bestseller list the same way they attend all tomkat movies ahahhah

  36. oriana says

    Mia, I saw a picture of Leah’s daughter, she is beautiful! Just beautiful! Very pretty child. I also saw a recent picture of John Travolta’s son, good God!!!! He is practically as big as John, huge legs, the daughter is gorgeous, very sweet looking child, but Jett, there is something obviously wrong with him, he doesn’t look normal to me, he was walking barefoot on his toes on concrete, in the other one looked like he was drinking a Coke with his legs crossed, probably weighs over 200 lbs, I really think the rumors may be true about him for he obviously has a medical condition.

  37. blurb says

    Jackie #647 – I’d go watch Johnny Depp recite the Pledge of Allegiance before seeing a Tom Cruise film and I’d watch Brad Pitt recite recite the Declaration of Independence before I’d watch Tom Cruise do an interview. I think he’s nuts & he & Scientology can go to Hell if they believe in one. He’s controlling, judgmental, & everything has to be his way.

  38. Shadow Girl says

    Mia(applause). True to form, as always.

    Sorry, am very pissed off because someone I know won’t let me do something I want to do.

    What is the obsession with the little $cien spawn? Go get laid and have kids of your own. I bet if we dissected the little larva, we would find all alien shit.

    Hey, TC is full of shit anyway…

  39. MIAPOCCA says

    Maybe you should make babies of your own and stop obessing about other people babies…if you say that about your neighbours baby, they will be looking at you strange and keeping their distance

    Obession is not healthy…and neither is addiction to somethign that is not yours…ahahha

  40. faci says

    I have not seen baby Suri for a while, more pictures of this wonderful baby please. I’m really obsessed of this very cute baby,everyday I always search if I could find a new picture of Suri. More pictures please ……..

  41. ????? says

    Leah Remini: I’m Not Trying to Convert Jennifer Lopez

    There were lots of questions in the press when you were first spotted hanging out with Jennifer Lopez – speculation that it was some kind of Scientology thing.
    Two girls can’t hang out together? What does that have to do with religion? I just don’t understand it. I would never question, “Such-and-such is hanging out. Does anybody know her religious beliefs? Because that’s why they’re probably hanging out together.” She’s a fabulous girl. I’m fabulous to hang out with. But it’s like, “What could these two have in common? She must be trying to convert her!”

    What’s the weirdest rumor you’ve read?
    I read once that I was trying to get Jennifer to do Scientology because it helps with fertility. I don’t know what that’s about. That’s bull – that we’re sitting there at the Polo Lounge talking about fertility. I think Jennifer knows how to get pregnant.

    Does it ever bother you, or can you laugh it off?
    That kind of stuff is funny. When I read that kind of stuff, I go, “that’s not true! We weren’t talking about that.” Or that we believe in the aliens. My hairstylist believes in aliens. Why doesn’t that get printed? She says she has been abducted a few times!

    Inthemotherhood.com features toddler horror stories. Is your own Sofia deep in the terrible twos?
    We’re definitely in the terrible twos. She tells people not to look at her a lot. Strangers who walk by and aren’t even looking – “Don’t look at me!” She wants things her way, and doesn’t understand yet that we’re in a restaurant or a movie theater, you know?

    There are just five “Webisodes” of that show. After that, what’s next for you?
    I don’t know. I’m going to take some time with my daughter. She’s at that age now where she’s telling me not to leave the house. So it kind of is a blessing a little bit, to be able to be home.

    Is it still strange for you, not going to the studio every day?
    Completely! You get so used to [the routine]. It’s going to take me some time to deal with it. Thank God I have work. I have my family. I have Jennifer to convert. I have things I gotta do!
    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20038704,00.html

  42. amy says

    xena…you sound like an amazing human being with a very loving and close family…you need nothing more in life!! AND on top of that you have found a ‘calling’ for a profession which. if done properly, helps and comforts people in their darkest times…good on you!! i will definatly email you this weekend!!
    sally…i am waiting for your so i can pass your address onto mia and lib..!! come on lazy..outta that martini glass!!
    mia – the tony blair ‘stepping down’ thing has been an open secret in the press for the past year or so…its just routine…its such a shame about the iraq thing as apparently he started so well here…i moved to the uk two day s before 9/11 and i remember accusing my husband of how he could drag us from ‘neutral australia’ to what i saw as the next potential target of such destruction..i was horrified when australia also joined the coalition for war and then went on to be targeted by those foe…just goes to show…we are all at mercy of our leaders…one voice makes a difference..

  43. oriana says

    Mia, what is this about Sylvia? I do know she is a huge supporter of Montel Williams. She lives about 5 miles from me but can’t afford her seminars, she charges like $300.00 a person, I have read her book, one of them, I enjoyed her too!

  44. oriana says

    Xena, thank you sooooo much for the info, I will definately see if he will cooperate and hope something will work. He quit school, has quit or been fired for not showing up to work on practically every job, she is sick of him too, he goes from friend to friend and that won’t last long!

    I have never really liked Jada but love Will, I do think she is very pretty though and obviously a huge fan of Tom’s.

    Mia, Tony Blair looks like he has aged ten years to me, I always liked him and I think he is stressed out! I always admired him for his stand on Princess Diana when she died, he did encourage the Queen to show some display of public mourning, and rightly so, I am not and have never been,a fan of the Queen, my husband loves her, but Samoa does have a lot of the British customs. He is from Western Samoa also.

    Sally, I do think your GGMa was having some fun, NO WAY could that shelf have fallen like that and all the stuff put back on the table! Scarey but when you have an inkling of what is going on then not so bad. I think it is a very nice story and very sweet about the name Anna being carried on, I like that! Oh, I love NC, did you ever go to the Smokies? Gatlinburg, TN? I love that place too, wish I could be there right now!

    Mia, that guy in college was creepy! Those people are nuts! Tall, dark and handsome but might be Gay!!!! Hmmm! Tom Ford? I love him, ooooh, he is good looking to me!!!!!

    Lib, are you still alive? Where are you? You are keeping quiet here lately, hope you haven’t been kidnapped or worse, on a spaceship somewhere!!!!!!! OH DEAR!!!!!!!

  45. says

    Hey Sally..intresting story..hope the lady was genuine and not stalking you…

    We had a stalker in college who used to peak at girls throught his bino’s..te dorms ahd long glass windows all over..he will cacll them and describe them and even make mention of their home adds and family.,..it was creepy…

    Anyways I had a plam reading and tarot cards done at a party..it was hilarious..I never encourrage them ,just laugh throughout….well palm reader said I will never live in teh land of my birth and will have 3 chidlren ahahhaha

    The Tarot said I will meet Mr Tall ,Dark and Handsome, but she said she cant promise he wont be gay

    ahahhahhaha

    I think some people havepowers,, but there are also a lot of cons out ther preying on the vulnerable, so I carry my skeptism on the subject like a sheild.

    That woman Slyvia who comes on teh montel show was under invesitigation reecently on one of her predictions….

  46. Sally says

    I also want to add… that a few weeks went by and still no answers but things still would end up lost…then reappear… It became such an annoyance, I decided to ask one of my chat buddies about it. On this day there was anothe guest chatter that asked if she (I hoped) could IM me. I never accept IM but for some damn reason I decided to since this was a pretty secure site with a bunch of preggers and mommies. Anyhoo, she immediately asked me if I have noticed odd things happening in my home? and I slowly typed with question Yes? (everyone does…duh) and she told said “well, it’s because you have a mischievious but harmless guardian who is a realtive of yours” “she likes to play tricks on you” …I now got Chills but okay…this could be a good guess with anyone…duh… I asked her how do you know this? She goes on to say that she is clairvoyent (sp) and that she just needed to tell me. (we NEVER chatted b4) I asked her if she knew who this so called guardian is (to test the “abilities) and she tells me that her name begins with an “A’ (Oh…okay…that’s A-mazing) I asked her if she could describe her (again..testing the waters..)and when she did, I was at a loss for words because she just described my Great grandmother who had passed many years before and her name is ….Anna. (now…I have officially “shit” my pants) No…I have NEVER mentioned this relative online, no reason ..since I never met her but had pictures from Grandmother. I also for some odd reason felt the overwhelming need to name one of my daughters Anna, too, who was born in 1999. I never knew anything about my GGM until 2001 when I reconnected with my dad’s mother and she asked where I got the name “Anna” and the rest as they say, is history. Answers anyone? How about why I always seem to smell cigarette smoke and musk on occasions and this is the very way my mom smelled before her death in 1996?

  47. Sally says

    Xena…great story about “Billy”. Sometimes the very best lesson for one to learn a lesson of life is to get the life scared out of you! LOL…
    Okay so here’s another ghost encounter that happened to our family back in 2003. When we lived in N.C, we owned a small home in Jacksonville. I noticed in this home small things (keys..brushes….etc) go missing and then reappear in the most obvious places. I (and my husband) would just brush it off . Until this last time. First off, my husband is a science guy and “everything has an answer”. With that being said I’ll proceed to tell you that on this occasion back in the holiday season of Christmas, our family decided to travel North. We asked our neighbor & good friends to watch over home while we were gone and gave them to key just in case UPS came with Santa’s early deliveries.;) Now in our kitchen, my husband hung this heavy shelf with VERY HD nails and it hung above our kitchen table. When we returned about a week later, it was late in the evening. My oldest daughter was the first to go into the home with her bag. She came out before any of us went in and told us that the shelf fell off the wall. I ask her if anything was broken and she said “No” (and was amazed that this even could of happened)but it looks like The Allens (our neighbors) had picked up everything.? When I went into the kitchen, the shelf was on the floor across the kitchen about 3-4 ft away from the table(now wouldn’t the shelf be ON the table since it was directly above it?) and all things that were on the shelf was on the table. There was a potted plant (no dirt on the floor) and ceramic bunny(not broken) and some books. The nails…they were PERFECTLY intact in the wall with no movement as if the weight was too much and the shelf simply dropped. BUT…we still passed it off as maybe “The Allens” took care of it. I may also note that UPS man never came and therefore, no real reason for Allens to come in to our house. In the morning I decided to thank them for cleaning up the mess and to find out what may of happened. But, when I went to, they had NO IDEA what I was talking about. All of us sort of paused and wondered…. Nails intact, still in wall…no dirt on floor, plant still in container….rabbit not broken. All on table? Simple science: if shelf just simply fell due to weight, nails would of been angled down (or out) and things would of been broken. Oh…and not neatly on the table. BTW: Hubby had no scientific answers..

  48. MIAPOCCA says

    Wll smith says he is not a scientologist…but REPORTS say that Jada homeschools her kids according to scientology principles. I think they have a hard time recruiting prominent African American who are busy helping out their own communities , giving to the poor than the rich……

    Orianna, I didnt think the guy was drunk, I think when you are unlucky to have an acciden tin the middle of the night in certain countries, you may as well be haurried toward your death in the freezer…

    Opps, just heard Toney Blair is stepping down…off with the war leaders for now, wonder who is coming after Bush and Blair..and ownder if the nw British PM wil;l break with tradition and look towards further integreting the Island into the EU…they have been the USA greatest ally and they have kept with tradtion, bu the Iraq war has strained things and also one of the core reasons Blair is on his way out…these jobs must be really stressful

    Tropical Strom Andrea is here!! hahh:)
    Hope All Hurricane pass clear of the gulf coast..oops Cheney is in Iraq, hmmm..is a SUIT nonetheless…they should uniform him up and send him to the frontlines.He might catch the bullet for the the children and partners sent out there for thier personal vendetta against Saddam Hussien.:)

    Okay so I am watchign the news at a very odd hour….time to go sleep

  49. Xenafan96 says

    Hiya Mia-I haven’t ever personally encountered it, BUT it has been documented to happen, even in this modern age of gadets we have! That is freaky even to me!

    HIya Oriana-I would glady take what ever steps I could to help you out in any way. One suggestion I have is that you talk to your sister and have her contact the local Coroner/Medical Examiners’ office and ask if they have any programs that allow tours for troubled kids. Many many ME’s already have local programs that are like ours. Ask if any are familiar with these:
    SEE-Setting Examples and Encouragement
    SKS-Setting Kids Straight
    C.O.P-Citizens On Patrol
    Also, local hospitals may be willing to arrange a meeting with the Pathology Dept.(or the local universities) to educate and inform…..and well yeah, scare em straight 🙂 Good luck sweetie, if you need to maybe talk more privately email me at xenafan96@yahoo.com
    Just let me know when you email so I can get you in and tell the hubby to not bounce ya!

    LOL @ Will Smith if he is a Scientologist, having appeared in Men in Black-as my dad would’ve said, That is a mystery wrapped in an enigma and studded with irony!!! Hope he didn’t take out any Thetans accidentally during the Mystery Globe That Caused The NYC Blackout scene!!

  50. oriana says

    I wonder if Billy Boy ever watches Crossing Jordan! Ha! Love that show although Jordan’s character gets on my nerves!

    Well Mia, was he Dead or Dead Drunk?

    Xena, wish I could send my sister’s son to you, he needs a Wake Up call in more ways than one!

    I am just having a hard time thinking Will Smith is a Scientol! Please, Will, say it ain’t so!!!!!!!

  51. MIAPOCCA says

    RPFLMAO;..Billy boy sure had it good ahahhahhahahhaha

    Maybe he should come back more often….which reminds me of a guy who died , awoke and redied..ahhahah

    We lived in a remote area and died of unknown causes, they had sent folk ou tto tell his family in the city, however as soon as the first messenger gives the news , he is followed the next day by another who said the guy was no longer dead:)..good news righ…by the time they got back to the village the guy was back to dead and they had to return to give th ebad news…by which time no one believed he was dead for about a week….

    Well I have heard storied of ppl waking up in the mortuary…there was guy , luck for him the fridges were totally full, so he had to be placed on the table overnight…and guess what, he wasnt dead afterall..lucky he wasnt frozen ahhaha…heard this story from a doc, dont kno if its possible..Xena is it possible…

  52. oriana says

    Love this story, too bad there aren’t more Billys around for you to help out!!! Ha! Oh I can only imagine how scared he was, I know grown men that would have been in shock!

    On Jada being a Scientol, I am surprised, she seems like she is another “toughie”, I can’t imagine Will going along with it! Their son was so cute in the movie. I wonder if Tom got her involved in this organization or if she was a member before she met him?

    Lots to do today, paperwork, have a good one everybody!!

  53. Xenafan96 says

    Sorry! Just checked Wikipedia and technically the term is Postmortem Spasm. Didn’t mean to confuse anyone, we kinda lump it all under the same name;)

  54. Xenafan96 says

    Weird! It never did post……

    Firstly, Hello to all my favorite gals and welcome the new posters I saw! Amy, Mia, Libra, Oriana, ShadowG(your new nickname, it’s hardcore!! LOL)Sally, sorry I missed all the great talk the last few days. Busy as usual. And I have a not so great case that I am NOT looking forward to. NO gross details, just this:If you EVER live in an apartment and a weird smell starts coming out of your neighbors place, call 911 ASAP. That is never a good thing all the way around!

    Story time! Ok, we occasionally work with local kids that are in trouble for whatever reason:drugs, alcohol, petty crime, etc through one of the churches here. We let the kids ‘shadow’ us for the day so that they can see a bit about what life can be like if they keep going the way they are. Alot of EMT’s, ER docs(never during a full moon tho, that would be sadistic!!), and police officers participate as well to kinda scare these kids straight. Let’s call this particular kid Billy. Billy, 15, self proclaimed ‘gang-banger’ and in his words ‘a hardcore m-f%$#er, I ain’t no punk’ was busted after stealing items from a neighbor to purchase marijuana. Did time, still little attitude improvement, came out and plead out for probation, anti-gang classes, and a trip to our mortuary for the day. Should be fine, right? He’s hardcore, so he’s cool. Liked the caskets, wanted to know if embalming fluid is really used to heighten marijuana(it is, and it’s deadly. Leave the embalming fluid to the professionals.) so of course he was basically unaffected. I am losing patience with this kid, very rare for me since I know he has no dad at home and an alcoholic mother, and probably hasn’t heard I love you son ever. I felt maternal then and decided we would go to lunch. In the meantime, my oldest brings in a fresh case, so I do the intake papers and find out this is a VERY fresh Hospice case, less than 3 hours out, so rigor mortis is in full effect. I can’t do anything until it ‘breaks’, so we are in no rush. We take her to the cooler and Billy follows dutifully. I set her in and we walk out. Billy is in front of me, goes WHITE and screams his head off, pointing, I whipped around(thinking oh please do not tell me the doc misdiagnosed!) and witness a Cadaveric Spasm. Long explanation for why this happpens, check google so I don’t blow up the board. She kinda jerked and jiggled a few times. It happens, it’s a totally natural chemical reaction in the muscles. Billy ran upstairs and outside, and barfed right in my flowers!! He was convinced she came to life. He ended up doing ok, no more trouble as far as I know with the law, and started getting involved with the church that referred him to us.
    Since we have a security camera in the prep room, we have it all on tape, something I made sure Mr. Billy knew. I told him anytime he wanted to bring his ‘gang’ on over and see, I’d even make them popcorn!! 🙂

  55. Xenafan96 says

    Hi everyone! I just posted a story for you while I am eating lunch but it didn’t show up!! I’ll give it awhile and when I get another break I’ll check to see if it does. If not, I guess I will repost it!

  56. amy says

    B –
    what a disturbing world we live in when even in this day and age, with all the advancements we have made medically and scientifically, that cults are still being promoted and followed on a scale such as the one mr cruise is in

    what a disturbing world we live in where people actually encourage and promote drinking oil as a ‘cure all’..

    what a disturbing world we live in where people can take things literally and not see any dark humour or sarcasm in comments which were directed personally to another person…

    and oriana, i am not sure on this but i think jada IS a scieno, i read someone saying how their children are homeschooled by scieno’s too…

  57. oriana says

    I saw a Special on TV some time ago about the Roosevelt Hotel on Hollywood Blvd, that Marilyn Monroe and Montgomery Clift was supposed to be haunting in their, now that sounds interesting to me! That hotel is very old and probably new styles inside but maybe the Lobby area still has some of the older furniture and decorations. I want to see it.

  58. oriana says

    Shadowgirl, go to the Queen Mary that is nice, you will enjoy that! And it is beautiful!

    Winchester Mystery house is boring, rooms leading nowhere, stairs going up to a empty door, it is pretty but nothing like it is built up to be. Queen Mary, much better choice!

  59. Shadow Girl says

    I want to go to the Winchester Mystery house and the Queen Mary so bad!

    B, what the fuck are you on about? If you don’t like it, get the fuck outta dodge, all right? How rude to interrupt us like that. LOSER!

  60. oriana says

    Have to say, Xena, Amy and you Sally, have the most interesting lives!!!!! Always so nice to hear good stories about good people! I hope that we all say a prayer for Nicki’s friend in NH, so tragic!

    And where is Nisa and Blurb?

  61. oriana says

    Sally, my husband’s name is Joachim, Joe, her husband’s name is Reinhard, Joe’s dad was German, they are a very nice family and they live in Newport News, Va.

    Five years ago I had a blood clot that could not be dissolved, they amputated my left leg, above the knee, it is hard for me to fit in the restroom on the planes and I am in a wheelchair, I use my “residual leg” as it is called by the Rehab, but I don’t have a knee to bend, so it is hard to balance, I use it in the house, but am afraid still outside, afraid I will fall, have gained a lot of weight since not being mobile, life goes on, I am thankful to still have one good leg but it has been a huge adjustment on my part, and for my whole family.

    Go see the mus and the archeological site at Jamestown, Blye is the Curator there and loves her job. Joe stayed with them a few days three years ago when he went with her husband to Germany for two weeks, Reinhard goes over several times a year.

    I hear it is beautiful back there and you get lots of snow and bad weather though! Too bad about that! Very happy for you and the life you have lived!

  62. Sally says

    Oriana…I’ll have to look up Blye! I currently live about 30mins from Jamestown. We have taken the kids to Williamsburg to play at Busch Gardens. I haven’t fully explored Jamestown yet but have plans to very soon. (we have only been here 7 months) I can’t wait to have a tangible expeirence with American history. Very cool…

    Off to finish dinner…
    Many blessing to you…

  63. oriana says

    Sally, would love to go to Scotland! Australia is too far for me to travel but would love to go, my son said a 15 hour flight from here, and the people were wonderful, beautiful country and very nice. My choice would have to be England, too much history to explore and revisit. I have the English are uppidity, and No, I don’t mean Madonna with her fakey British accent! Ha! I am not that fond of the Queen but love all the history of the Brits.

    My husband’s cousin was just photographed with the Queen, we call her Blye, but her name is Beverly Straube, she is the Curator of the Museum at Jamestown, a lovely lady, so he is very proud of that, her picture is on AP and she is the blonde with the tan suit on. I don’t think Charles will ever be King, that will pass to William, Queen Elizabeth will hang in there forever!

    I have been watching The Tudors on Showtime, and very interesting about Ann Boleynne, I think I will try to find a book about her biography.

    Can’t stand Prince Phillip, he looks like a Dill Pickle to me! Sally, you have made a good choice in the Marines, and I am sure you have made some lifelong friends along the way. Hope you get to Scotland!

  64. Sally says

    “B”…it’s just harmless banter that amy and I like to engage in. I am sorry if your so uptight that you actually felt the need to type your distaste. Do you really think we sit and let Tommy choke on oil??? May peace find you, B. & May the love of the human race bathe you in sunlight. 🙂 (Just don’t forget the oil to get a overall good glow)

  65. Sally says

    desperation will do that to you, amy. Being that I lived in a small wine country town that I was too immature to appreciate, I felt the need to make a daring change and enlisting in the Marines was it.(plus, my family wasn’t one of those rich lawyer, doctors or winery owners that could afford an ivy league education) Of course, my family was in utter shock but eventually came to realize that it was exactly what I needed. Joining the Marines has brought me nothing but fullfillment on many levels. I have and still do enjoy a lot of adventures via military and look forward to accomplishing much more. Isn’t that what life’s about? I find you , libra, mia, xena, oriana, & shadowgirl pretty interesting, too! I love reading your threads when you talk about where your from and things you enjoy. (I find the information about Wicca very cool) I would LOVE to travel to Australia or United Kingdom. I am working that angle, too. Seeing and traveling Europe is a life long dream!!! My husband’s mother side is from Scotland so I would LOVE to have them finally meet the kid’s and I. I seriously want to find my corner in some local pub and just watch everyday life. I love watching simple local life and it’s small drama’s!! It’s even more fun when you meet that one collective soul that can share all the latest about everyone’s business. (in a harmless way) Anyhoo…I guess this is enough of my long winded self. TTFN…and Cheers!

  66. B says

    Amy, I can’t believe you….how can another human being will hope for another person who you don’t know to “choke”. What disturbing world we live in today.

  67. amy says

    oh wow sally!! what a bloody interesting life you have led!! really enjoyed your stories….
    and as for these two…well, katie is probably sitting at home waiting for tom to come outta the sauna after seeing bella’s new ‘do….
    hope he chokes on his oil!!

  68. Sally says

    ok…where is the latest on these two??? Is Katie back in the dungeon having steaks thrown at her..??? I need a Niacin cocktail. I am feeling stressed and toxic. 🙂

  69. Sally says

    Orinana, What tragedy happened to you that could keep you from traveling? Are things better for you?
    My husband is going on his 20th year on active duty (Navy). I left the Marines many moons ago but I am fortunate enough to still be within this wonderful military family. Our family feels so tremendously blessed to be able to have this lifestyle. It does have it’s draw back but nothing is perfect. And being a part of this family, we are always sadden when lives are lost but you don’t have to be within the military circle to feel anothers pain so thank you so much for your thoughfulness. Oh..and even though I was so close to San Jose, I never went to the Winchester house. I always wanted to. I thought it was intriguing to see what madness could build! The Japanese love Western lifestyle and merchandise. When they step upon U.S. soil they can not believe how cheap things are. When the Govt. would open the base for friendship day, it was always a riot to see all the Japanese leaving the base with 8 boxes of large Pizza’s!!! They LOVE Pizza!!! Today, I am having coffee with a Japanese family that are here for temp. duty assignment (husband is military) that speaks very little english so I volunteered my help to guide them through some of the confusion with our school districts and everyday living here. I can not wait. Such a sweet family… with that being said, I better get ready! I’ll be back soon…Thanks again for your kindness in words and time!

  70. oriana says

    Sally, I am in San Jose so I am sure you are very familiar with things here. We have the Winchester Mystery House but I don’t find that as so scarey!

    Are you in the Reserves?

    I myself have wondered how many lost young people have died so suddenly and so young on the battlefields that didn’t realize how quickly their souls departed their bodies! And are still wandering! I wish I knew how to give them peace for I don’t think they have it!

    I have some great Japanese friends, went to a Festival last weekend in Japantown, and they are very refined and so well mannered, even the young kids! I wish I could have gone there before my tragedy and I hear it is very expensive to go over there.

    I remember once, about five years ago, I was in Hawaii, and I was looking at some shoes, sandals, now I was at the ones on sale for like $39.99, the young Japanese kids, didn’t blink an eye at them for $125.00, and on up, and every single one had super nice cameras! No Vivatar for them! All had designer clothes, top of the line purses and didn’t bat an eye even looking for sales. I thought how lucky for them to be able to do that and just teenagers, so as expensive as that country is for the visitors, the tourists that come over enjoy themselves and that is fantastic for them.

    I do really enjoy your stories!

  71. Sally says

    Good evening, Oriana and many thanks for the kind words. I really enjoyed being there. Needless to say…I never ventured through that tunnel in the late hours. I am just not that brave…:) I left Japan, last , in 2005. (and wishing to get back soon) My memory is not serving me well with the reasons why the ghost was so angry. I’ll try and find out from some folks that are currently stationed there. I was also stationed in South Korea for 3 months for an exercise. Let’s just say that country is very interesting and very troubled. (But great food) Oh…and I’m originally from Sonoma Valley so I know Sacramento well. I

  72. oriana says

    Sally, I love these stories and I believe without a doubt, they happened. I would be very reluctant to go thru the tunnel during the night! The poor Geisha, she is still searching for him!

    Why does the legend say about the lady wanting the cars to crash, why is so angry? What happened to make her want to do that? Do they know? My father wasn’t over there, he was stationed mostly in Korea and early on in CA. up near Sacramento. You were in a historical place. How long ago were you last there?

    Verrrry interesting to me! Please share more of these wonderful stories! The poor Geisha, I wish she could find some peace!

  73. Sally says

    another one….there is a main road that runs rith through the middle of the Island of Okinawa. (Island is very small) In one part of the road that runs along in front of Camp Lester ( the Naval base that houses the U.S. Naval Hospital) there is a legend that a lady ghost (by locals accounts) that sits above the road and likes to strike at cars to make them crash. Being there for 4 years, there must of been at least 10 accidents and one of our Sailors was fatally killed just after taking his advancement test. Just devastating… Now, on the main island Japan. We just returned from living in Yokosuka, Japan last year. Our govt. residence was located in the Zushi prefecture that is next to the city of Kamakura. (Yamagato Prefecture) During the Kamakura period, Shoguns ruled . In between Zushi and Kamakura there are drive through tunnels that link each of these places. One legend has it, that during the Shogun there was a Shogun that lost his battle. When your a Shogun and this happens, to show honor you must kill yourself with your own sword . In one area of the tunnels this happened. But, what makes this even more sad that this Shogun had a Geisha who loved him. When she heard of this news, she ended her own life. Legend goes on to say that during this day, if you drive through the tunnel during midnight, you can see the Geisha wandering in the tunnel and bloody hands appear upon the walls. So many locals truly believe this, that they will not enter the tunnel during the night in fear that they will see these lost spirits. I Love Japan and all it’s folk lore and ghostly stories….:)

  74. Sally says

    Good morning, everyone! Here’s my other story which is actually documented via Marine Corp security in 1990. (Okinawa) When I was stationed in Okinawa being a enlisted Marine, we were assigned watches throughout the base. One of the watches was a graveyard shift at our armory. Now if you know anything about War history and especially about the battle of Okinawa, you would know that there well over 150,000 local casualties and approx. over 50,000 U.S. military. With that being said, there are a lot of ghost wandering on the Island. Now, as for the armory, back in 1945 it served as a temporary morgue due to the fact it was easy to remain cool.(and there mass count was so high places were very limited) My roomate was ‘lucky” enough to be asigned to this watch. When she reported for duty the first thing you have to do is make sure “all is secure” meaning everything is closed and locked. (the battalions weapons are fully stored here) When she did her round at 6pm, it was all secure…when she did her rounds at 9pm…all is secure…when she did her rounds midnight…secure…but at 2am….one of main vaults was completely opened. Scared the hell out of my friend. There is one way in to the armory and there are only 2 sentrys. One being my roomate who did the security check, the other standing post to make sure no one would come through the door. When this was discovered you immediately have to contact Military police . My roomate and the other sentry were so freaked out that the would not walk back their again until the MP’s came. When they did to make a report, they found the room fully locked and secured. No one can explain this but this is just one of many happenings that our ghost friends like to do to reminds us that they are still among us.

  75. oriana says

    I saw the picture of Bella with Blue hair and she looked so cute with it, she is looking better with the new hairstyle also. I can see Tom saying No to the Blue hair but it is cute on her.

  76. says

    i would hate to believe that this is true…if it is, its very sad. as for being brainwashed, katie is not a little girl, she is a grown woman and can make her own decisions. i dont have anyything aganist this family and suri is a very pretty baby

  77. Shadow Girl says

    NO Sally, I didn’t hear of that. LOL, my fingers are stumbling on the keys.

    I’ll visit the Shadowlands in a few and see if I can get some more insight on that story. Spooky! I’m very open minded and I think that’s the best asset a person could have.

    My friends are big believers, an apartment they lived in previously was haunted, the cats and dogs would pick up on something. And my friend has had a friend channel to her through an Ouija board. I have one, but I’m very cautious about using it.

    TTYL and have a good day!

  78. Libraesque says

    SOMEONE IS CLAIMING THAT AT jj THERE IS A PHOTO OF bELLA WITHOUT BLUE HAIR NOW!!!

    oops sorry caps lock was on

    Anyhoo, Megan, everyone can see your nonsense, you see people talking back and forth here, having a nice “chat” about tv shows, personal experiences, etc.. and you have to come TRY to stink up the site YET AGAIN
    no one “likes’ you or your crap, so you don’t want anyone to like “us”
    pathetic

    I think you’ve been sufficiently SHAMED off of here with your RIDICULOUS phony post re BP&AJ

    you are SUCH a loser, but then all tomkat fans are

  79. oriana says

    I have three cats Lib so they would pick up on anything!!! I do believe in ghosts and I also believe in demon possession. It speaks of it in the Bible. I love those old Victorian houses and love antiques. I wish I loved in So. Ca. instead of up North, I like it better down there.

    Sally, I would love to hear more! I definately believe in things like that happening,the spirits of the poor children have not gone into the Light, I wish they would. Yes, I believe in the Light, too many people have seen it and testified to it for there not to be some truth about it. I also believe we each have an aura about us also and there are some that can actually see it, I wonder how it is chosen for some to be able to have that ability and others are not? Interesting to me.

  80. Libraesque says

    800 comments!!!
    no way!!!!

    I lived in 2 haunted places, the ghosts never bothered me (scared the hell out of the cat though), and I lived in an apt building in west hollywood that all kinds of ghosts floatd around, and APt #1 was so haunted that several people who lived there commited suicide!!!

  81. Sally says

    Hey Shadow girl( and Good day to everyone, Xena, Oriana, Mia, amy, Lib:)…have you heard about the ghost of happenings in Texas, San Antonio to be exact, where if you put your car in neutral on this railroad track (off of a dirt road), children that died in a bus accident many years before will push your car off the tracks in an effort to save you. Legend has it, that after it happens, if you get out of your car you will see their hand prints on the trunk/bumper in the dust. Gives me chills everytime. I actually know someone that it has happened to. If you ever want to hear more….I have a couple good ones from Japan when I was stationed there. One from an actual happening to a my room mate while she was on graveyard duty in the armory. ….Off 2 drop off my kiddo’s @ school…Be back!

  82. oriana says

    Mia, it is To Be Continued! She was standing there looking at the kids, a man walked in behind her and said, You have something I want! And that was that! I hate those 2 and 3 parters!!! Now a two hour at once is better for me. I do like her, on the show and in real life, read where she used to date Carson of the Late Late Night show, I think he has dated quite a few celebs.

    Off and running today, the next door neighbor was up at 2:30am running his chain saw and woke half the block up! Have errands to do and I am tired, plus taking a group to the movies later on. Have a good weekend everyone!!!!

  83. Shadow Girl says

    I think Wiccan is the worship of mother earth altogether.. correct me if I’m wrong!

    Anyway, I mean to travel sometime and experience some hauntings. I really want to go to the Queen Mary in Long Beach, Calif. I’ve looked up some local hauntings and where I live is a pretty quiet place. My dad found some human teeth and a few coffin nails when he built the house I grew up in.

    Aside from that, I must go out and find some scary stuff! I went to a place where my camera wouldn’t work in one spot..odd.

    I’ll start visiting more cemetaries just on the off chance that something weird shows up in one pic!

    Oh yeah, Megan, I’ll only say this and then I’ll stop talking to you, ‘cuz like, it’s obvious you haven’t even graduated kidnergarten yet..

    BITE ME

  84. says

    Oop..Wwatched the ghost whisperer (didnt finidh..what happened)then had to run out…

    Anyway , Xena, I totally get your husband..guess..I fall in the same group..I thought everyone was like that till I started runing into some pretty senseless folks…so anyway I bought the book on emotional intelligence to get rid of it..it came with a lot of exercises so you can be more sympathetic rather than empathetic…I think it worked somehow..then I went searching for the emotionally sensitive child ..its a book about children who are to some degree empathtic…..

    Can you imagine standing in a room with overwhelming sadness and you totally feel it…spoooky..I am really good at avoiding funerals …anyway I once worked in a school cafetreia with 2 other people..and I just kept telling them to stop it because someone was sad and they were brignign me down with them..the girl though it was wierd and then she said she was the one ..Oh and I learn to keep my moth shut ,because a couple of time I said someone was goign to die and they both did..so my brother requests that I shut up about death..but htey were pretty old ppl and I assume anyone coudl have known they were going to die anyway..

    I usually think those wierd stuff are you know imagination and just being enotionally sensitive, besides psychologist think its bad balance to feel too much empathy..you become a crying wreck if you are the quiet type or lash out at ppl if you are the aggresive type…

    I think everyone is empathetic to a degree..I see it as a scale with diff people having diff measuerements…The bad part about it is due to that you can become a little too nice and understanding and people take advantage…so you gotta protect yourself big time…..

    hhahhaha

    Anyways..this ghost whisperer was wierd..I had to leave before it ended…when she walked in to the house with the kids

    What happened Orianna????

    Hey Xena: Whats the difference between Witchcraft and Wicca…because I know Wwiccan was a Gardner thing adn witchcraft , where I come from is generally associated with an equivalent of vodoo, or rather black magic..there is a lot of harm involved……I know Wwiccans beleive in the 3 fodl thing therefore preventing them from harming others…But there are folks who will also cross the boundaries and explore thier powers etc..A little confused about this one..I guess it requires more reading..and yes I read everything on everything…I even wanted the sceintific explanation for heartbreak..like how your words are are transmitted to the brain to send the signal to the heart to actually make on feel that pain..ahha..I worked it all out in a way..piecing together animal pysiology..ahhahahh…

  85. oriana says

    Xena, as you prob read my oldest son is Gay and he is the kindest most gentle easy going person! He has tattooes and looks so tough, totally nothing like his character.

    All Gay men don’t look like Bobby Trendy! But I do enjoy him so much! HA!

    Have to run, Ghostwhisper on!!!!

    Night Ladies! You too Mia! Ha!!!

  86. Xenafan96 says

    LOL-You’re a peach Oriana! Trust me, no one wants me running around naked, I would scare off all my business!!
    And I absolutely stand behind what I said about you, my best friend since 11 is gay and he has had so much shunning from his family and so called-friends. He is one of kindest, brightest people I have ever known, so they are missing out!
    Lemme think, I’m sure I have more!!

  87. oriana says

    Xena, You don’t run around naked and indulge in wild sex!!! That does it!!! I am thru with YOU! HA!!!

    Thank you my Dear for the nice words, brought tears to my eyes, but I am a big crybaby anyways! My husband laughed at me for when Kobe Bryant was doing his news conference with his wife by his side, and he was crying, I am crying right along with him! And I don’t even like him!

    So guess I am getting senile after all, can’t keep up with anything any more! And when the 70’s show went off the air, and they all came out and took the final bows, boo hooed right along with them! I love you Fez!!!!!!

    It is so cold here tonight, taking my group of 10 Special O clients tomorrow to see Spidey, I do like Tobey McGuire!

    My husband loves that TV shows about the Hauntings, me, if it is anything other than The Mummy or Frankenstien I can’t watch it, pitiful I know, have watched that show a few times and it is interesting!

    Oh, I did love Dark Shadows that was on TV years ago, just goes to show how old I am!!!! I loved Barnabas Collins!!! I wonder if that actor is still alive!

    I like The Ghostwhisper, I believe in that too, and enjoy that show, it has some good story themes to it.

    Xena, I want more stories!!!!! Please!!!!

  88. Xenafan96 says

    I could literally just take a cheeky bite outta Julian McMahon, he is yummy!! I figured that Amy was an Aussie just from some of her posts! My favorite epi would probably be either when Wyatt was born and the whole line “Here’s the baby….and…oooooh…something else……say hi to Mr. Winkie!” or when Cole(JM) and Phoebe switched bodies with the ghosts and went to town going crazy.

    We do practice some magic, far and apart from anything ever seen on Harry Potter or Charmed, etc. We are solitary Wiccans, so we don’t practice with a coven. Too much time working and now blogging on here lol prevents us from really getting together with any other members. Mainly, we will ask for protection if a family member is ill, and my husband also is empathic, where he senses pain and can feel it. Hence the staying in the offices and working with numbers. It would probably kill him if he worked with families day in and day out. I can have very vivid dreams that come true, or a strong sense that something is not going right and my radar goes up. When we first met, he said “Oh great, I just had to find a mortician to fall for! As if I don’t feel enough pain sometimes!”

  89. says

    i watched charmed to see what they were wearing the demons cracke dme up big time…the writers were very imaginative..yep piper was the cool no nonsense one..loved all the girls..never quite got used to rose mcgowan, althouh I thought she was an excellent choice after pru left..that episode following her death was the funniest with the wind demon..I laughed so much even though it was supposed to be sad..I think the best thing ever on that show was Julian McMahon and I watch the guy on FX on nip tuck,…he is such a demon…

    amy shoudl probably know a lot more about him..he is the son of the former australian prime minister

  90. says

    Do you practice magic and do you have a coven..I may be confusing it with something else or it may be something you dont discuss ..but I am just curious..I guess now I have something more to read about….However I have tons of research studies to read tonite..I know suck..necxt weekend I will watch 5 movies to make up..

  91. Xenafan96 says

    I love Charmed-oh how I wish there were times that I could be like Piper and just freeze things or blow up the bad things! My husband does not need either power tho, as frustrated as he gets sometimes with our computers or accounting.

  92. Xenafan96 says

    Well, as for the rest of the ladies here who shared their story of their experiences, thank you! Too often we only get involved in the planning aspect and sometimes we can lose sight that the rest of the world isn’t doing what we are doing then.
    Sally-I believe you asked if I was Buddhist? I am actually Wiccan and have been for over 17 years. Standard reply: No, we do not ride brooms, or use toads eyes or bats wings, no we do not worship Satan, and no we do not run around naked engaing in wild activities. LOL-sorry, the ones I get asked the most there!! We value the sanctity of human life and the solemn respect of the human death. We believe that whatever you do will come back on you three times, so it’s always a benefit to our Earth to do as much positive as you can. We respect all religious beliefs since we do not presume to know what it is that brings someone to that belief. I believe there is certainly life after death, that we must answer for what we do in life, and that the worst possible sentence any soul can receive is an eternity of absolute nothingness. We also believe that we were placed on this planet with free will and the ability to choose what we do to make the most of that life. Mother Nature and Mother Earth are the center of our beliefs, and we cannot spend what time we have here destroying any aspect of her, so animals are very precious to us as well and we would never harm any living thing with any purpose.
    Last but not least, I was raised a Catholic but found out in my teens that most of my family on one side was secretly handing down the beliefs of Wicca and felt a call to know. I have such enormous respect for the teachings of Jesus, He was wise and we as mere mortals destroyed what was most likely the best chance of peace and wisdom we may have as a race of humanity. I often wonder what would happen in case of the Rapture, and I try to find peace with the fact that we may all end up looking at each other as a world saying, Wow, we believed in the same thing all along but just called our Deity a different name.

  93. Xenafan96 says

    BTW-Mia, your prune juice comment had me ROFLMAO. I know I am backing up….slowly……:)

  94. Xenafan96 says

    Megan-I can speak with confidence that I am neither senile nor late developing. If I was, I would have lost my business and license LONG ago. I enjoy posting back and forth with Miapocca, AND Oriana, AND Amy, AND Shadow Girl. And most everyone(99%) else on here. If you are looking to start a debate back and forth on who is who, please save a shred a face by scrolling up through THIS thread and you will see we have addressed this issue already.
    HOWEVER-I will not engage in a war of the words with you since I have NO need whatsoever to. I can certainly take any heat(read:flame) thrown my way. If you are a regular poster here, hello and welcome back, if not, please look through the history of this thread and see that Miapocca, Amy, Shadow Girl, and Oriana have been fun and wonderful to talk to, IMO. Mia gets a bit wound up, and then SHOCKER she posts really funny things. I COULD CARE LESS WHO POSTS UNDER WHAT NAME. I enjoy the ‘spirited girl talk’ that we can have here.

    You owe Oriana an apology. She is a very good lady who is genuinely warm to everyone. I certainly do not believe her to be senile or a late developer. She has actually done many, many great things with her life and she does not deserve such a mean insult thrown her way.

  95. says

    look f”cktard Megan or whoever you are ..in case you havent noticed we are beyond that ppl are having an intelligent banter..even when I ignore you you just dont quit…go put a stick up your arse and get off the middle of the conversation ….oh and do t bother posting another of your stupid comments directed at me on tkc..you are fucktard and I wont be suprised if you are the pysho playuing the messed up games ..hoping it can be pinned on someone else..who the fuck are you anyway..never even heard of your nasty self..now take your face out of my arse because I need to fart..ass bitch..or rather I just drunk some prune juice so keep it there at your own fucking risk…

  96. Megan says

    Miapocca, Amy and Shadow girl, I see you still appear and disappear at the same time! What a coincidence. I actually feel for people like Oriana and Xenafan who still buy your no sense. Either they are senile or late developers. Wake up and realise that fake. Every one else has.. Even of TKC they have discovered her tricks. She needs help.

  97. Shadow Girl says

    I very highly suggest a big thick textbook like well…book called Real Ghosts, Restless Spirits, and Haunted Places by Brad Stieger. I also love:

    http://www.theshadowlands.com(where I got this SN)

    http://www.castleofspirits.com(maintained by the Australian Ghost Hunters Society.

    I haven’t had any spooky experiences yet, but I’m sure I will! I went to a cemetary around dusk and I had an eerie sense of being watched.

    For the record, I think everyone is clairvoyant to some degree. I think I may be sensitive enough to really sense a few things..not of this world. To me, it was obvious, the sense of anguish and it felt like i could hear people crying over their departed loved ones. It’s creepy…

  98. amy says

    sally, if you want to REALLY scare your kids…show them the tom on oprah episode..
    scaaaryy……

  99. Sally says

    Oh..and SHadowgirl..Saw that episode. My kids and I love when it gets close to Halloween because TLC and some other channels play all the Ghost stories. We also like “A Haunting” SOme of those are Freaky…I love it!!

  100. Sally says

    Wow…Xena! Love..love..your threads. Very refreshing and very touching. I could not imagine doing your work but I think it is truly wonderful what your doing for families who lose thier little angels. I recently had a friend very close to us who loss her son . I pretty much saw this boy grow from a boy to a man and let me tell you..it was one of the hardest things in my life to see him in his casket. I was truly tormented to even go to the viewing. I just never been to one and I was so stressed on thinking that it would be a negative memory to remember him by. But,.there was this sense of peace. I am glad I did it. But…seeing my friend in such pain was completely heart wrenching. WIth no surprise, she looked empty. As soon as we left the service, I realized how even more precious our children are. I am grateful for every day, moment I have with mine. Sorry for the long thread..but I just wanted to let you know, like others here, that your threads are wonderful to read. In regards to the Sage, I may of missed it but are you in to buddhism? Great information about the Sage. I was always wondering about that.. Thanks again, Xena

  101. says

    Okay..there is someone on Tomkatcrazy hijacking ID…They are basically writing comments in other peoples names

    THe only people I am awre of who have don that before are

    1: !!!!
    2: Jen from Australia
    3: Jackie

    Based on your knowlege of a person’ s post you shoudl be able to tell if its them ornot..however do not automatically assume that because it bears a name it is that person behind the screen,

    I think they might be heading this way ..so if they arive and I figure out, I think you should all abadon the blog so its easier to get that person.

  102. oriana says

    Shadowgirl, OMG!!!! That is too spooky for me! Xenafan, please, use your SAGE a lot!!!!! I am going out and buy some this weekend for my house, if you guys don’t hear from me any more, you know I was the Spook!!! And my family will agree!!! HA!

    Xena, More stories!!! This is not enough for me! And I know you have been a comfort in more ways than one to the parents of the little children, whereas I could cook some food and take to the families, your part is much more difficult and rewarding! Again, Hats off to You and Praises Galore!!!!!

  103. Shadow Girl says

    Wow! Xenafan, go to YouTube and look up Discovery Channel’s a Haunting. I think it’s a Haunting In Connecticut, where a family moves into a house because it was very cheap. Guess what the house was? A funeral home! The elder son, in remission from his cancer, gets affected by the negative energy there.

    It’s very creepy…I love to be scared often.

  104. Xenafan96 says

    Oriana-Thank you, you are so nice to hear from and I love that you are such a straight shooter 🙂
    Sage is believed in our religion to contain properties attractive to not only your sense of smell but also to non-Earthly existence. It is believed that as the sage is burned, the smoke released will attract anyting negative and/or trapped souls and carry them to their rest.
    Thank you also for the post. I have seen so much and experieced so much in my life, and I believe in the human race. I witness what happens to us once our physical body dies and it is truly humbling. The richest person in the world will decay just as the poorest in the street. You see that and it can actually be incredible. Being a wife and mother, it is HARD to see children come in. Not once have I ever had a child come in that I did not be thankful mine were upstairs running around playing and laughing. That’s were you really need true distance, to prepare that little person for their final viewing and for their family. I have cried with other mothers when their child is done and they see them so still. Ultimately, and I do not mean this in a bad or harsh way at all, I look at it as my job can be rewarding in the end, that I have given the family the best I have and they can begin to heal.

    One ghost story that did come to mind was the casket that will show up out of place. We have a very large showing room that displays sample caskets, urns, suggested floral arrangements, memory packs, etc. and the sample caskets we have are actually covered cardboard so they are not very heavy at all. Well, we have one blue one that will for no good reason be in the showing room and then move into a Viewing room and no one knows what happened. So you take it back and every few months it will show up somewhere else. It’s an older model and not sold anymore, we keep it more for posterity and as a way to show the lining that is still used. I guess whoever used the last one we sold gets mad that it is not made anymore and totes it around to get our attention!!

  105. Shadow Girl says

    Ugh. Well, I blame Katie about being with Tom. She’s a people pleaser and a yes girl. She will only be pushed to extremes and only then will she speak up and defend herself.

    And the divorce countdown is on!

    What do you wanna bet after I post that Jackie/Jen/Megan will come back on? LOL. I do bring out the worst in people sometimes. BRING IT ON!!

  106. MIAPOCCA says

    Orianna I dont think midget can go tot war , he will probably shit in his pants..he is an action hero and of course thats come wiht a tunt man and painted on bruises ahahah

    Any I wish Bush and his cabinet including all their kids would go to the bloody war themselves and stop the nonsense…he had thr luxury of dclaring war since NONONE in his fmaily is in the army and if they were, they woul dprobaly be assigned specail service on us soil an claim to be veterans….shee nonsense I say..the bloody administration just gets on my nerves..wasting youths in a senseless war…even 10 years ago intermational diplomacy was better than now…

  107. oriana says

    I read where Bush deployed 4,000 more troops to Iraq, it just breaks my heart! I know that some of those courageous troops will be coming home maimed and crippled, and some may not come home at all! It just kills me!

    And when I think of that ridiculous picture of Tom and David saluting each other like they are in the military, piss off! It makes me even more furious, you may be a thetan but you are not a military one! The Navy Seals would kick all your asses! I really think Tom believes some of the characters he plays! And David, he would be the first one running and sqealing like a pig if he landed in Iraq, the coward! Don’t even try to impersonate a military man EVER especially an Officer!

    Sorry for the ranting and raging but I hate the hyprocrisy and I hate for more of our young men put in harm’s way!

    Denise, I am thinking of your dear son tonight!

  108. oriana says

    I hope he didn’t try to get Dakota Fanning and her family into that Scientol craze when he was filming War of the World! Just now thought of that.

  109. Libraesque says

    Mia, have you tried to post recently on TKC? cuz amy and I are both getting a blank screen when we press send

  110. Libraesque says

    People magazine is on TC’s payroll
    they are THE ONLY magazine that photoshops pictures of cruise to make him appear to be as tall as katie
    it’s ridiculous
    it’s obvious they’re in bed together because this couple is literally the only couple that People won’t write shit about

    And Leah, please. Isn’t she the dumb cow who said Suri had a full head of CURLY black hair? She’s an idiot

  111. MIAPOCCA says

    hahahah Oriana you crack me up…hey amy.///where is xena tonight , cant wait to hear all the stories..:)

  112. MIAPOCCA says

    Reading and beleiveing stories planted by publicists is the same as believing everything you read in a tabliods.

    Enough cut and paste , just leave a link

    And besides if they are trying to be normal, then they can be like kevin bacon and just hide out till they have a movie or something…shockingly normal couples dont traispe around in the media non-stop and beleive in thetans and space ships

    And there certainly nothing normal about the way they live…cruise is worth million..that alone is not normal…

  113. amy says

    YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN!!!
    TIA….
    are you really one of those naive people who believe crap they read in mags???
    funny tia…
    it CAN’T work both ways…you can’t go sprouting quotes that are positive yet disregard the negative…
    thats not only close minded, but also naive and biased…
    not trying to insult but really, have you ever had a go at people for quoting negative stuff from mags??? think about it…

  114. oriana says

    Tia, this is very nice, they may be normal, but their so called religion isn’t, it isn’t a religion, it is a science fiction imagined story telling cult like Star Wars is. I am glad however that everyone is happy and Tom isn’t cramming it down his friend’s throats.

  115. Tia says

    Inside Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes’s Marriage
    THURSDAY MAY 03, 2007 01:20 PM EDT

    Cruise and Holmes

    Photo by: Albert Ferreira / Startraks

    Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes share a life together that’s shocking – shockingly normal, that is, considering they’re one of the world’s most famous couples.

    “When you come over, the first thing [Katie] does is say, ‘Are you hungry? Let me make you something,’ ” their friend, Internet mogul Sky Dayton, tells PEOPLE.

    A favorite pastime is family movie night: “Tom and Katie will get in the kitchen and make this amazing popcorn with chocolate,” Dayton says. “Suri is there playing. Kate feeds her a bottle and then Tom feeds her.”

    According to those in the couple’s inner circle – which includes Will and Jada Pinkett Smith, Yahoo CEO Terry Semel, Mission: Impossible III director J.J. Abrams, Victoria and David Beckham and fellow members of the Church of Scientology such as Leah Remini and Dayton – the Cruises are nothing like the characters portrayed in headlines.

    More on this story
    Jada Pinkett Smith: Don’t Mess with Katie
    On a recent visit to the beach home of Yahoo’s Semel and his wife Jane, “Tom organized a soccer game. All the kids were there. His mom was playing!” says Semel. “When they’re surrounded by relatives and friends, it’s home.”

    But that normalcy hasn’t stopped the speculation that their marriage is on the rocks and that Holmes, 28, is controlled by Cruise, 44. Those who know the couple best are mystified by the rumors, PEOPLE reports in its new issue.

    “We’re shocked when we read that stuff,” says Semel. “Kate is bright and has opinions.” Adds Abrams: “She’s hardly a shrinking violet.”

    “I think everybody has this image: Poor little Kate, she doesn’t have the strength to take care of herself,” says Pinkett Smith. “People don’t know that behind all that grace is a tiger. … People think Tom and the Church of Scientology got something on Kate? They don’t. Kate is running her own show.” (For our complete interview with Pinkett Smith about Cruise and Holmes, click here.)

    King of Queens actress Remini agrees: “I really don’t get it. They’re married, they love each other and have a beautiful baby. They do ‘weird’ things like take care of their kid and go to baseball games.”

    Holmes’s parents, Martin and Kathleen, are a part of that picture. Kathleen flew to L.A. for Suri’s first birthday on April 18, and a source says both remain “very close” to their daughter, who has embraced her husband’s religion. “She’s very involved and it’s her choice,” says an acquaintance. “She spends a lot of time reading books and learning on her own.”

    As for another rumor making the rounds, that Cruise has tried to convert the Beckhams to Scientology, a Beckham family friend calls the story “rubbish” and adds, “Ages and ages ago Tom gave them a booklet, but that was it. There hasn’t been anything more than that. It is never discussed.”

  116. oriana says

    Mia, I can see where you would get frustrated having to repeat over and over, and people need to just be quiet and listen and do what needs to be done, teenagers won’t be able to do for they haven’t been taught at home by their parents on how to act, they run the house, too bad!

    I hope you have a restful weekend coming up, I like you girl! I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the links you have posted and wish others would read them too, you didn’t make the stuff up and it absolutely amazing reading! It is hard to imagine there is an Organz like Scientol in the Free World that flourishes and so many intelligent people go for it. Surely the Feds have kept an eye on this dangerous Cult. I feel sorry for the children, and for any group that teaches and encourages separation from grandparents and family members, that alone should open people’s eyes!

    I have a real problem with a lot of it, and especially the phoney fakey uniforms and saluting! STOP IT!!!!!! You haven’t done crap to support or protect this country, stop playing your games! You aren’t military, you are full of bullshit and if I came face to face with Tom I would tell him so. Go join the National Guard!!!!

    David, I wouldn’t even waste my time with that squirt, I would distance myself as far as possible from that weirdo. The platform in the Scientology Center looks like a forum in Rome, they will copy The Vatican before it is over with!

    Thank you LIb and Mia for all the information, I have told my whole family about some of the things I have read and they look at me in wonder, it really is like The Twilight Zone!!!!

  117. oriana says

    Xena, love your post and much, much admiration to you and for what you do! I personally would love to hear some of your fascinating stories!

    Michael Ironsides, I like him a lot, good actor and wish I could see more of him. I liked him in that series “V” I think it was that SciFi series, wonder if Hubbard would have enjoyed watching it? Ha!

    I definately believe in ghosts! What is in the sage that has any effect? Interesting to me!

    Sometimes it may sound like I am being sarcastic but I wasn’t in your case, I would admit it if that was the case.

    I would be so sad looking at the wee little caskets, would be crying too much, don’t think I could handle it.

    Again, Hats off to you!!!!!!

  118. oriana says

    Thanks Jen for the link, the house will be fabulous when completed, I wonder if he will let Katie choose some of the decorations? Lucky them!

  119. says

    ahahahha LIB.,..I didn’t even read all of 738..its funny…
    have mercy on JEN , she is only minding her own business..:)

    A comment is a comment…I dont profess to hate or love homes neither am I concerned about her ..I am just expressing an opinion

    Cant people here see through their bloody hormone induced analysis and stop labeling opinions into love, hate concern…if you don’t see the words expressed in my blog , don’t extrapolate…

    Holmes doesn’t pay me , so I don’t see why I should be concerned about her ..I made an observation..got it ..end of story….Geez…I wonder how your partners communicate with y’all////////tiring

  120. Libraesque says

    you’re posting a link……..to his house???
    YOU FREAK

    and #738 give me a break, they’re 5 MONTHS into this marriage, not 10 years

  121. MIAPOCCA says

    Hey Xena…would love the stories..cant wait..ahah

    Anyway Tia, I have no idea who you are, please note I only reply vicous when people come after me…Orianna may have the patience to deal with the teenagers, but frankly I dont posses that talent, like I always do, I will ask you to back off form my postings..if you choose to disagree, do it wihtout calling peole ignoant , gullibe etc

    We can all only speculate about a celebs life based on our infomration…my speculation comes mainly from knowlesge on scientology….Feel frees to make yours as well. If we do come to differign conclusions ..great, who cares..I am not going to question you on your opinions since I could care less about your views..the ppl that I interact with on this site are those I feel I can have a back to back wihtout them coming across as overly subjective…and frankly between myself and those ppl, there is no hate tom, love tom camps….We all have opoinions, you maybe more on target with your speculation than the next person, …My information on scientology leads me on a totally different approach and if some of them are similar to yours then whatever, I have already gone over teh argument you rais on tmz ages ago, its nto new …

    Okay do I think there are diff sorts of opinions on here…those who are in love with teh image of tom cruie ans take everything said to heart without being onbjective enough to trealise that cruise pays quitea lot of money to his publicist to fight his media wars….Those who like cruise but can still be objective, and those who hate him

    Personally I only have beef with those who cannot agree to disagree on this board…
    I assume those in the US are a littl emore detached because of the numerous media bombardments and way tooo mnay stars on tv..etc…Across the Aatlantic tastes may vary and frankly David Hasselhoff is such a big deal in Germany that I am alwyas fazed by the racket ….also the UK is pretty good at hanging on to one peron for decades wihtout letting go…afteral MIcheal Jackson used to make people in Europe faint like flies on his tours…My cousin in Lodon still have a cardboard life size image fromhis dangerious tour that she keeps in her room..and she is almost 40

    Differnt tastes etc..diversity ….enjoy it and simply leave others in peace….
    Oh and Tia , dont come into a discussion and jump to conclusions…yes I do insult ppl but those same ppl have a tendency to bully and question ppls opinoins simply because they dont agree and you did the same………………….

    Hey Xena, Orianna, amy, LIB, Shadow..finally got some sleep in days…overslept and now have to rush to work…will be late, but they assume I am there anyway since they wont go peeping in my office ahahhaa
    Trying to get some interns, but I jsut got sent a bunch of teenagers and recent grads and I dont think I have the energy to explain things 100 times…sorry teens but you do try a person’s patience…they just havent learned to shut up and take instructions , get it done and go home..They create more work than they accomplish…willnot be hiring any..I will recommend a summer camp job to them since I think they are really good with kids….they will get antsy reading and filing in my place….

    Hey , Xena wouldnt it be great to have a ghost as a guard in your home…that would be cool….do you have ghosts …tell tell tell
    Reality beats the sci fi channel..ahaha

    ciao

  122. amy says

    Tia #748

    isn’t it true that katie has been studying scieno classes from the first month or so they got together?

    and that tom himself even stating in an interview that you could be scieno/cath scieno/jewish, but him and katie were JUST scieno’s?

    and isn’t it also true that his mother recently got up and walked out on her husband of 20 years with no explanation and he blames scientology?

    i am just asking here….it’s easy to believe that tom does as he wants, and its obvious to see that those around him do what HE wants…

    but the fact is that he deeply deeply follows the cults teachings and it appears lot of his divorce had to do with nicole wanting out due to the children growing older….they strictly teach to CUT TIES with people that don’t follow, family loved ones friends…thats just how it is…

  123. oriana says

    I do not see him leaving Katie and I think the fact that she is Suri’s biological mom would have a lot to do with it, I also believe he loves her deeply, I don’t see Katie ever turning over Suri to Tom without a hell of a fight and I am sure Tom knows that.

    I definately agree that Nicole would have gone running back to Tom if he had blinked in her direction and definately Keith hasn’t helped her any as far as having her kids more often goes. Tom will always be protective and caring for his mother, and David knows that, but the fact that she is now going to the Scientol church must please him immensley.

    I hope that Nicole has a happy marriage with Keith but have my doubts about him staying straight, too wild. I think he loves her but we will see if that is enough.

    Tom and Katie, the age difference may help for I think he will have patience with her immaturity and as for her, well, she married her hero so time will tell about that also. I personally do hope it lasts and they have a happy marriage.

  124. Xenafan96 says

    Hiya everyone!
    Wow-I missed out on alot today(well I guess now since it is after midnight where I am technically yesterday!)
    Like I said waaaaaaaayyyyy back lol, we had 3 new funerals to plan and of course my morgue rat-I mean Mortuary Student Intern, we just call them that for fun, kinda like razzing on freshmen-had exams so I had all three to work on. Long long day. My husband is not in the business of embalming, he runs the financial/IT/data entry of our business and neither of my sons has finished licensing so I got the task of all 3…..gosh, reminds me of the old days when my grandfather would have back to backs and work days on end.
    So-seems I have some questions to answer 🙂
    Hi Jackie! FIRST-I am not being a smart alleck (Hi Miss Oriana, I didn’t want to swear at all since I know you don’t like it:)at all here but I am really proud of you, my hubby saw the unknown inbox attempt and as he routinely will do, bounced it. BUT-I do respect you trying and realizing that you had hit the Big Gray Federal Wall and backed it off. It is just ugly when the government get involved. LOL-to answer your question I use a version of Vista that is only available to contractors with the Federal Govt-hence the bouncing and such. Like I had said, with the information we keep on our server, it has to be there to protect decedants and their families from routine-sad that is so routine now-credit card fraud and such. Since you tried, now do you believe me and we can call a whole truce cease fire on the IP goodies search? Absolute sincerity.
    Mia!-Hiya gal, did you get your coffee rush? I kept Starbucks in business today….I am the only one who drinks coffee in the house so the only coffee maker we have is for use upstairs in the Viewing Rooms and makes gallons. Not that I probably didn’t consume that much already today 😉 BTW- I take being assumed as maybe being Oriana also as a total compliment, she is a sweet lady and that made me laugh when you posted that(tho I do know you were being sarcastic).
    I actually have posted here for a while under my real name of Angie, but then a few other Angie’s posted and to just rule out confusion, switched over to my yahoo name.
    Tom Cruise-I don’t hate him, honestly. I don’t hate anyone, it is against my religion and also my personal beliefs in general. I DO hate child abuse, neglect, the way our elderly are treated, starvation in the land of plenty, people who are denied medical treatment for lack of funds, things like that. In our country, there is just NO excuse for any of it. Tom Cruise has been in alot of excellent and powerful movies. I also think that until Tom has a vagina, he needs to not spout off his beliefs on post-partum depression and how it is treated. Be an actor, leave your politics at home. I always thought the same thing about Marlon Brando. I am actually a huge Top Gun fan, but not so much for Tom Cruise, but Val Kilmer and Michael Ironside-that man is just hot IMwarpedO and I have had a crush on him since ‘Trancers”. Google away gals and you will probably go-What??? She thinks he’s hot!!-Like I said, warped! It’s the piercing eyes he has I guess!
    At the risk of now needing to go into chapters on this post-sorry!-I have tons of weird stories. I’ll post a few if you guys really want, but I have to admit the few that popped into my head I went-uh no, I don’t think they need to know about the floater or the guy in the sauna. I need to kinda edit them in my head first. I wholly believe in ghosts, we do an annual sage ‘smudging’, which is buring sage leaves in the house to release anyone that may still hang around. MY best story is this- My great grand father instituted the policy we still carry today, in that we do NOT charge for any child casualty(accidents, homicides, and SIDS) service. Instead, we encourage the family to donate whatever they feel comfortable doing to local foster care services, Parents of Murdered Children, Make A Wish Foundation, MDA, etc. so that their child may be remembered in that way. it’s just not right to us that a parent has to bury their child under such tragic circumstances and then charge them for it. it’s enough that they go through what they do. Usually a family with a child that has experienced long-term illness will carry a liability policy that pays for funeral expenses, and we bill straight to the insurance company, never to the family. Not horn tooting-I am on a crusade since so many homes are now owned by franchisers that I just believe this should be the policy of all funeral businesses. We deal with a local casket maker for wee ones caskets that believes in what we do and will often donate in a childs name if they know that we are doing a no charge service. If they can’t, we write it off. Simple. I don’t know why any other homes that do charge would not try to work this out too.
    Off my high horse now and I think I am going to check out the Britney thread of her surprise concert. I feel like I missed out on great stuff today!

  125. Tia says

    I think whatever Nicole did, she blames herself and I remember watching her on Oprah and getting the feeling that she concedes that she was in the wrong but was ready to change. I also think she married Urban a man she barely knew to beat Cruise to the Altar because remember she met him months after Tom had jumped on the couch.

    On Oprah she seemed to be hoping that Tom would still change his mind and I remember commenting to my sister that I got the impression that Nic genuinely believed that Tom was going through a mid life crisis and would soon return. She kept going on and on about her love with Tom being perfect and unless she found it again, she did not think she would remarry and how she would have him back, all he had to do was say the word. She also shared about the kids and that they had joint custody. I think the initial arrangement was joint custody but events like Urban’s rehab intervened. Am sure Tom knew about Urbans character and decided to limit the kids contact with him. I am sure if she was their biological mother, she would have been at a better advantage. She seems O.K with the current status quo since she is busy anyway and is yet to even settle in with her new husband.

    I still can’t see any one pressuring Tom Cruise to do anything he doesn’t want. If you ever noticed, he has a way of charming the pants off people and have them eating out of his hands within no time. Look at Brook Shields. Not that it is bad but no, I don’t think Mscavige could dictate that he leaves Nic and he allows even when he truly love her. For instance, do you see that cult telling him to leave Katie or his mum who for years has refused to convert fully to scientology and him allowing? I don’t think so.

  126. oriana says

    Tia, I do am familiar with the teachings of Paul. And in answer about your statement about a woman leaving her husband just because of him being Catholic, the Catholic religion is an old and honored religion, Scientol is a pile of CRAP so there is zero comparison there, so no,I definately wouldn’t encourage anyone to walk out on a marriage that either spouse was Catholic was a sore spot.

    I do believe that David falls backwards, jumps up and down and kisses Tom’s ass whenever he appears, he is the goose that has laid the golden egg to the Scientology organization.

    I do think there is truth to the fact that Nicole did something to highly piss Tom off as he did dump her like overnight, but as a loving husband, guess forgiveness wasn’t in his heart if he couldn’t accept her repentence, and it must have been really undercover as their lives were so public. It certainly must have affected the custody agreement for Tom is like Goliath compared to Nicole. She knows plenty and she has kept her mouth shut. I think she probably still does love him and will always care for him to a certain extent.

    Yep, I do think Tom listens to David and vice versa, David is LRH’s right hand and is carrying on his work so if Tom has been brainwashed into believing all the baloney about Hubbard, then he will surely listen to David. For whatever reason, Nicole had to go.

  127. oriana says

    Malayka, I strongly believe of being respectful to one’s inlaws and have a united family, but I am not living in the Pioneer days, I think every family should have their own home, unless the inlaws (parents) are ill and need help, now that is a different story, Tom’s mother may need financial help,and he can easily do that without her in the same house with them, and as for his sisters there, that doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

    As for Katie not liking what the tabloids write, then she shouldn’t read them, she was in a TV show that was popular so she was not new to the Hollywood scene, and she said Tom was her dream when she was younger, so she definately had to know about him, from Top Gun on if nothing else. I do think she can led and taught how to drink as the old saying goes.

    I don’t see Tom mistreating her at all, but if he is encouraging her to do any of the “cleansing” programs to me as has been reported (and they could all be untrue) then that is a form of mistreatment to me. And if he is encouraging her to believe in the emeter, then brainwashing indeed!

    I don’t know of anyone that has said they hate Katie so I must have overlooked that part.

  128. Tia says

    Oriana, it is the truth that Nicole was divorced by Tom and not that she rebelled. Read her interview with Oprah or watch it. Tom came off looking like the bad guy who refused to take his repentant wife back. All she said when asked why he divorced her was ‘Nic knws what she did’ Whatever she did, we will never know because Tom said it was private. I don’t think the Scientology big wigs can push Tom. Do you sincerely imagine that Tom Cruise was so in love with Nicole, head over heels but when Mscavige told him to let her go, he dropped her like a hot potato? Do you? Tom is bigger than that cult in any case I believe he tells Mscavige to jump and he asks how high?

    I know you would like to believe tha his hand is force but I assure you it is not. He arrives at the scientology centre and every one falls over backwards to please him including Mscavige.

    I would never want someone to leave a marriage just because I do not approve of their spouse. Even Paul in the bible is clear on this. How would you feel if someone hated catholics and wanted you to leave your husband because they genuinely believed catholicism is misguided?

    If there are some wrong things done by scientology, then I believe Tom has the power to do something about it. Am sure he tries but I doubt Bush knows what is going on in NY manhattan boulevard this moment.

  129. Malayka says

    Thanks Oriana for the compliment, it is a beautiful name after my Auntie on my mother’s side.

    I know you may have your views on in-laws, but that is how you feel. Katie may feel different, none of us are in her circumstances. Teaming up with people who hate her so much to express that you are concerned on her behalf to me does not seem logical to me. I have always sided with you on scientology, it is crap but where we differ is that I accept it is their choice and their life. Whereas you seen to be inching for a chance to convert them.

    Blogs fuel tabloid rumours and tabloids are hell bent on destroying this young marriage. They will say anything to discredit Tom no matter what. It does not matter that they say Tomkat have split and in the next line they talk about Tom stalking her on the movie set. I bet they are miffed because they reported the story that he will be there every day and he is no where to be seen. Some how I don’t see Tom hiding while in Shreveport to escape the paps.

    Katie moved in with Tom when she knew he lived with his mother and sister and nephews. She says she loves a full house and her mother in-law and sis in-law help her with Suri. She said this in Hapaar without even being asked by the interviewer, she could have kept quiet about the subject, why broach the subject just to tell a lie?. She strikes me as an honest person and always said she just cannot lie. Her DC co stars always teased her about this.

    May be she is different from you. It is one thing to mention that you would prefer not living with your mother – law but to scream that Katie is controlled and is being denied her family like some people are doing here is ridiculous especially in the light of the fact that they don’t like her anyway. Not you but Mia and Lib.

    I know you mean well but tabloid gossip puts pressure on many marriages and Katie says it upsets her. I hope she has learnt by now that it is a tough life and she has to toughen up. But it must be shocking, unnerving and sickening for total stranger to root for the failure of your marriage as these magazines are doing. It is even sadder if they claim to ‘free’ you or have your best interest at heart while insulting you all the time.

  130. oriana says

    Tia, as for Nicole, I do believe she was in shock when Tom divorced her, and I do think Scientol bigwigs were behind his decison. I think she did love him and believe me, Keith is no great prize in my opinion, and with his drug and boozing problems, that was candy on a platter given to Tom, I don’t see that marriage lasting very long either.

    When I say I hope Katie rebels and I see it happening as Suri gets older, I say with Hope, Hope that as a mother, she won’t go along with her sitting in those long hot saunas and drinking that crappy oil to detox, and believe me, they aren’t drinking Welch’s grape juice!

    I don’t know if you are into Scientology or not, I pray No, if you are, then you know what I am talking about, if you aren’t, read the web sites, and you will find out what I am referring too. I read about the children’s barracks, the emeter and lessons for kids, I hope and pray you are not supportive of those things.

    I don’t want to see any marriage break up, but it isn’t the worst thing in the world to be a woman raising a child by herself if the choice is a abusive husband (I don’t think Tom is) or one that is a fanatic and totally misguided (I think Tom is), he may not be out in the field with the organization but he knows what is happening, he is too high up to be blind.

    Bush may not know exactly what the Gov. of Ca. is doing, well, he might, since it is Arnold, the world knows what he is doing, so let’s say the Gov. of Idaho is doing, but Bush knows what that state stands for and how many delegates and how many votes he got from there, so No, Tom is not blind by any means.

    I am not blinded whatsoever to the fact that Tom has done a lot of good in his lifetime, I think he has a good heart and good intentions, he has just been indoctrined into a Cult that he is loyal too and he has his beliefs.

    Nicole could make more of an effort probably to see her kids more, but Tom is in control of everything and it is going to be his decisions in the end.

  131. Tia says

    740. MIAPOCCA | May 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pm
    I sincerely believe that we are all going to have differing opinions, but the way you guys voice your opinion is basically screamining: ..you are gullible, you are mean etc etc…cant you simply just state your point without the insulting someone for what they think or believe……amazing…

    Funny that coming from you Miapocca the queen of insults and foul language! Read your posts first and take the log out of your eye before you speak about the spec in any ones eye.

    If you have decided to abandon your childish ways for a more mature approach, welcome to the world! Congs! I am sure we will enjoy your posts better and it may even persuade thos who skip your posts to reconsider. There is nothing like getting the feeling that you may be trying to reason with a 15 year old pimpled, disgruntled misfit whose parents are in the middle of a divorce.

    I hope the site is better after this.

  132. oriana says

    Malayka, first let me say, love your name, very beautiful to me.

    Second, I like Katie, I have never said she was a zombie, I do think she is gullible and naive as she is seems to be very innocent and easy going to me. I think that Tom does love her, have always said that, but I just don’t think it is a normal homelife to have your husbands family surrounding you. They are a young couple, they need their private time and their space with their children. I think she probably does get along good with Tom’s mother, and hope so, for I am concerned about her in the Scientology situation, not her marriage to Tom for I think it was a love match. I think Suri is his child and hope they have another one before too long.

    As for my inlaws, my husband’s family live in Samoa so a long way from Ca. They have come to visit and she was nice, at least to my face, but if I was as young as Katie, newly wed, no, sorry, I would not want my husband’s family watching me brush my teeth every morning and hearing me moan at night! Sorry! Ha! Just had to put that in!

    I want this marriage to work, I want them to be happy, I have always said so, and I have never said, ever, that I hated Tom.

  133. MIAPOCCA says

    I sincerely believe that we are all going to have differing opinions, but the way you guys voice your opinion is basically screamining: ..you are gullible, you are mean etc etc…cant you simply just state your point without the insulting someone for what they think or believe……amazing…

    Okay Orianna so I hear you are gullible…it seems some arent familiar with your threads ahahhaha

    oh well , wahtever..go to go play now..enough computing for the day

  134. Tia says

    Oriana, why would you want Katie to rebel? Would it make her marriage better? Would it make her happier? You probably think it would but no marriage break up makes some one happier. Even the most abusive marriages hurt when they come to an end. I know many husbands who are putty in their wives hands and vice versa and they love it that way and it is the reason for the longevity of their marriages.

    I know you easily believe what is fed you but Nicole said in an interview that if it were upto her,she would still be married to Tom Cruise. She even said this recently when she was married to Keith and said she regreted the divorce. She told the same thing to Oprah, that she did not want the divorce at all and begged Tom to take her back. So I don’t see how you can draw a conclusion that she woke up and got her senses and rebelled.

    Even after the divorce, Tom continued supporting her career and even ‘The others’ released after the divorce was a Cruise/ Wagner production. How come no one questioned the custody arrangements till recently? When Nicole had a less busy work schedule, they shared the custody equally and she said this on Oprah. Lately her private life was no place to raise kids. She also had over 6 projects last year and spent most of it in Europe. Now she is filming and Keith is in the UK touring, am sure she is happy with where the kids are or she would have moved to L.A to be nearer to them. Uma Thruman bought a house across the street in NY to be near Ethan Hawke so that the kids were near both parents. We have not heard that Nic lives near Cruise but he still refuses her to see the kids.

    I think you people are blinded by your prejudice towards Tom Cruise and I don’t think he can ever do anything good in your eyes. He is a good person and that is why he has my unwavering support.

  135. Malayka says

    I meant Telluride.

    I sincerely believe if Katie told Tom that she wanted to move he would not hesitate. I also believe that if Tom noticed that Katie was uncomfortable he would not hesitate to move to another house. If he could fly miles to get her cup cakes and diet coke, then I guess he can indulge her every wish.

    What I find interesting is that people who have always hated Katie and called her several names like Zombie, stepford wife and so on are now so concerned about her welfare. I wonder if it is genuine at all. I could believe Oriana’s concern but Lib and Mia, I do not buy their concern. To them nothing matters, logic and sense flies when it is time to bash and hate Tom and Katie.

    Unless Katie indicates that she is dissatisfied, I guess she is o.k with the status quo, she may not be extremely happy about it but she does not want to separate the whole family including the kids and their nephews who have grown up togather for the last seven years. Tom says he loves living with his sisters and if he could, he would live with all of them. I guess she loves him enough to do this for him if it means so much to him. I don’t think Katie’s in laws mistreat her. She seems a much loved person in that family. In one of the soocer games pictures, she was holding hands with her mother in-law as they went to the ladies.

    Has it ever occured to you that may be this is a sacrifice she gladly makes for the people she loves. She does not even have to like her mother in-law, we are all different and wheras Oriana may not like her in-laws nears her under any circumstances, some one else can tolerate them for the sake of the rest of the people around her. Katie seems like a girl who gets along with any one so I don’t see potential conflicts with her in-laws.

    No marriage is perfect. Am sure all of you put up with some thing that you would rather not from yoru husband but if it is worth it, at the end of the day, love, happiness and family is all that matters. I am sure they are not short of private romantic moments. It is no reason to rail against Cruise because you would not have stood for such a situation. I believe that is Katie’s place to decide or rail.

  136. oriana says

    Giselle leaving Victoria, this painful time! Baloney! She has made millions, the highest paid model last year, what painful time? She isn’t going off to War! Victoria isn’t filing bankruptcy! What painful time!

    As for Nicole, I don’t see her being manipulated by David and fed garbage by Tom forever, but they obviously have leverage on her for she doesn’t have the kids very often at all, I wonder what Tom has told the kids regarding that?

    Katie is putty in Tom’s hands, only when Suri gets older will she show any signs of rebelling, and no doubt, her parents cringe at the thought of her being brainwashed, as she obviously has to a certain extent. Pitiful!

  137. MIAPOCCA says

    Orianna..I dont think I care much for the adults who join..afterall they had information available to them and they made a choice

    Those are bad are those who proselytize and those who subject their chldren to this nonsense

    As said I sincerely hope none of the cruise children ever have a day of illness in theri lives….because cruise will surely commit murder and I dont think it needs to get that bad for him to wake up

    According to Jesse Prince Cruise is a public scientologist and threfore does not see the full extent of all the wierd on goings, however to get to his level you must be exposed to a lot of sheer balooney and so he should at least be aware of the con right now, but uses his celeb status to feed the nonsense to more people…Also Prince noted that because of Nicole , Tom started to pull back form the org and therefore from miscaviage. So I guess Miscaviage helped to get rid of his competition to replace her with someone they percived as a naive new comer….very shrewd plan. Also to help tie into her yougn audience since tom is at the age where he is heading towards the decline..The holmes family are probably wishing they didnt support the dumb girl to follow and acting career.

  138. oriana says

    I would guess he is dead, long dead. And those pictures with the salutes and uniforms are bogus as can be, they are not military! Remind me of Nazis!! It is sickening to me! I am sorry if I offend any Scientologists but people, please, please, get a grip! This is stuff movies are made of and it is dangerous. Even if yu do reach the highest OT level, you are not going to fly to Venus and Mars and all around the Earth, don’t put your children thru the emeter nonsense, don’t give your hard earned money away to this organization, don’t pay for any sessions that won’t help you! WAKE UP!!!!! PLEASE!!!! I am afraid for you and your children!

  139. MIAPOCCA says

    I am surprised I havent seen the latest news on Giselle on many sites…appatently she and victoria secrets have come to a mutual agreement to seperate due to irreconcilable difference and she is asking the media and the public to respect their privacy at this pianfull time

    hahahahha

    I bet they will replac eher with Bar Rafealli…Leo new girl, that should get the rio special spitting bullets ahhaah

  140. MIAPOCCA says

    Yes Orianna L Ron was a paraniod schizo and run everything like the cold war military entity…”

    Thats the pictures with the salute and naval uniforms and cadets and ranks…they also used same dirty cladestine operations and terrorist interrogation tatics

    One of the guys , I think Jesse Prince had testified that he had spoken to Broeker, but Arnie leman has a note up asking to be contacted if one comes in touch with Broeker..I hop ehe is alive…he was a dirty SOB and the only one who can bring Miscaviage down if he wants to risk his life….

  141. MIAPOCCA says

    I never heard of a toledo ranch…katie is from toledo . Ohio and he has a ranch in colorado, or did he just buy a ranch in toledao ohio??

    The cruise LA compound is right around the block from the beckham house..and of course cruise is renting his…he is reportedly looking for place to live soon..

    ..and its extremely strange for an american grown family to be squatting together like they do especially since he has tons of money….even with some families they purchase houses on the same block, there was a family like that on Oprah and I remember the audience were pretty suprised that they all bought houses on the same street…its strange and its more in line with the cult..the mother has abondoned her husband to shack up with pyscho messiah tom and I don t know what happened to the sisters spouses;..it seems like tom is the only one who has everything he wants in that squatter..everybody else had to abandon someone..I belive the custody for the two kids changed and they n w reside with cruise, the sisters and the mother have no spoused in sight and of course katie abandons her family…but cruise is sitting pretty….

    Oh ..cruise mother repelaced Jessica since the questioning in the media…remember they were snapped at the airport, I believe Katie had gone to toledo to visit with her family….I think the Holmes get along better with the mother than the psycho son…frankly I find it hard for two well to do lawyers to have a comfortable conversation with a nut scientologist whose “education” has been restricted to tthe narrow idealogies of hubbard…..either the two martins laugh it off or they could get angry enough to swat the midget back to LA…He and Katie in their senseless tonsil hockey managed to embrass a well to do religious family in a little town big time with that pregnancy….

    I bet Martin Holmes still turns beet red in church every sunday and you how the midwest can be..its definetly not LA

    Did y;all hear about the scientoloy intereference with the toledo blade newspaper…google… and how ppl in the town and church were warned not to say anything by the scientology goons/??

  142. oriana says

    I wish Broeker would write a book, but he would prob be kindapped and put away before he could get someone to publish it. From what I have read, on the Anne Broeker link, this organization is run somewhat miliatry style. And I don’t think someone could just say I am leaving and be allowed to walk and be left in peace. It is a very dangerous cult indeed!

  143. Libraesque says

    toledo!!!!
    uhhhm, they’re filmed day in and day out in L.A., and the mother is always in the background, I’m sure it’s no different at home. I’m SURE that wherever Katie is, Suri is, and I’m sure wherever suri is the monster-in-law is!!!

    and I don’t have a house!!!! I live in one of the most expensive cities in the country!!! I’m not a gillionaire!!!

  144. oriana says

    I would love to see pictures of Tom’s house. I just can’t see living with my mother-in-law, sisters, no room for just family time with her and Tom, that isn’t right, guess Katie can’t say No to it, regardless of how big the house is. Get one next door if nothing else.

    Malayka, I am not opening a war on them, I just don’t think it is normal for his mother to be around all the time! With the money he has, he could afford MANSIONS for each and every one of them. This is a fresh marriage, they are newlyweds, they deserve some privacy, if they don’t get it from the outside, they should be able to from the inside, especially inside their own home! What if they wanted an intimate dinner? Tom’s sisters sitting in attendance? Don’t think so!

    Broker is prob either dead or in hiding. He knows too much to be on the loose, definately a thorn in David’s side, and Anne, brainwashed to kingdom come, no hope for her, she will be watched and guarded until she decided to vacate her body shell like Hubbard did.

  145. Malayka says

    Lib, your single biggest problems is assuming that stars are as ordinary as you are. Do you think that they have one house? Do you think that their mother camps in their private quarters? Their private quarters are probably three times your house. LOL. Am sure you have a beautiful house but no I don’t think his mum follows them in all Tom’s three homes in the US. His Toledo ranch is a whole village of over 10000 acres. Girl, use your imagination more than that.

  146. MIAPOCCA says

    Oh yeah..I read about the little minx sexy sundays…she is just something else that one
    great voice though…she said her mother in law called to ask if they werent uncomfortable or how the cook or something of the sort..she i s so daring and a great artiste

  147. Libraesque says

    that’s a GREAT sounding life….having to stay at the opposite side of a house so you can avoid your mother-in-law, your sister-in-law and her brats
    ugh!!!
    some “honeymoon”
    no sexy naked sunday going on over there!!!

  148. Malayka says

    But if the Mum is following her according to the magazines, then if she ran to L.A she would just follow and continue horrifying her. I guess you saw the Beckham mansion, that is how the Cruise mansion looks like and no Kalie can hide in one cornor of the house and escape the wicked mother in-law. At least she has the ever loving Tom to compesate for such ‘hard living’.

    How can people who are strangers open a war on someone’s marriage such that they get each and every aspect of it and turn it into something ugly. How sad are these human beings? If they are human anyway.

  149. oriana says

    Pinks is a famous hot dog joint in Hollywood. I read where Eddie Murphy was there once at 2:00am to get some and Tom Hanks loves them too. I have seen a picture of it, nothing fancy, on Joey, when Matt drove by in the credits there was a picture of it. I love chili dogs!

    And you are right, that is an old saying about the skinny cook! How Funny!

    I think Tom does look like his mother, same nose, but I think the whole family dotes on Suri, even the other children. But still, too much togetherness for me.

    Just read the link on Anne Broeker, OMG!!!! My head is spinning! I have to see Battlefield Earth! What is Flag? What does it mean to “blow”? I think David is still followng LBH plans, looks like Broeker is out of the picture, surely his wife knows what is going on with him? This whole business is very organized and set up like military camps in some ways. Scarey too me, but I think people should know more about this. I wonder if any of the celebrity kids go to these camps and children’s dorms?

  150. Libraesque says

    they are reporting that his mom is definitely there
    and why couldn’t she be flirting with her co-star when they are there filming for that one day
    maybe that’s why she ran home to LA cuz he turned her on too much!!!
    either that or she’s running away from that horrifying mother who makes my eyes bleed every time I see her picture
    scary monster. I bet Suri cries whenever she’s around

  151. Jackie says

    First, tabloids should at least try to be consistent, How can all thse three headlines coincide

    ‘Tom’s mum and Tom and on set ‘

    ‘Katie is never on set she filmed one scene and run off to shop and go for Steak’

    ‘Katie is flirting with her co-star’

    Now if she is not on set and is always with Tom and Tom’s mum is following her every where. How can she spend long hours with Rothenberg when she is in L.A and he is shreveport?? It has gotten to a point where whatever Katie does, she is damned by these tabloids. Even if Rothenberg was not there, I swear they would have said she is desperate that she is flirting with Ted Danson. LOL.

  152. says

    Never heard of Pinks..if Rosie like them ..they must be good,I can tell she appreciate her food…which remind me of a phrase by the lady monique..”never trust a skinny cook” 🙂

    Anyway I dont think there have been arguments with anyone…jsut hollywood power shifts and midget is blowing with the new wind..seems like he mad new friends by inviting them to the scientology production. I am not sure Oprah said anything about the realtionship being fake..I will think she would ahve expressed something which was turned u pside down and eventually made to sound negative..she is not angel herself in the relationship gossip ring, so she must know how bad it can get

    All I can say for certain is that tonkat is wierd!!!

    the rest time will tell!!

  153. oriana says

    Now why did Speilberg have a falling out with Tom? I thought they were close friends?

    And again, I don’t see the big uproar over Tom jumping on Oprah’s couch, I enjoyed it! I think he was totally sincere, not acting, Oprah didn’t force him to do it, and I don’t see why that would damage his career any? Can’t actors be normal people sometimes and be themselves spontenaeous, think I spelled that wrong, but I have seen other actors, even on Punk’d act worse than that and people laughed and moved on.

    So why would Tom and Oprah not be friends any more? I was surprised to read earlier that she said on Diane Sawyer she didn’t think it was real love between them? I didn’t know that! I for one think it is much more real love for them than for Oprah and Stedman! What’s up with that relationship! Why haven’t they gotten married? Who is going to get all of her wealth when she dies? That hanger on of hers, Gayle, she annoys me too! Does she have a life without Oprah?

    If anyone has been to Pink’s in Hollywood, I know this is a different subject, are those hot dogs all that great that they advertise? I want to go there! I heard that once Rosie ordered 300 of them for people on her show and read once Mike Myers was there standing in line, and paid for everyone that was there. I have always liked him too.

  154. says

    I think the holmes family are considered “raw meat” and if it wasnt because they are in the media(just like NIcole) there will be no pretense of having them around

    Hubbard actually said to seperate grandchildren from the grandparents who were not scientologist….he even had a feeding formula for infants…

    Anyway my sister never used her mom in law to help out with her kid, she always turns to my mom, which I see in a lot of girls, especially since motherhood is supposed to bring you closer to your mother and not neccesarily you mother in law…Holmes in definetely on some juice,,,

    During the batman junket, Micheal Caine was so disgusted..he siad that she was a sweet girl and they used to chat ,but all aof a sudden she turn up and its tom tomt tmo and amazing , awesome etc and he didnt have a clue that the girl even knew cruise….

    I think Cruise is flexing his muscle a lot where she is concerened and if she does nto stand up and get a clue, she will not only end up divorced without a child but with no career…I think she needs to call Nicole for advise

    Pat Broeker has been reported missing and there were thread on some of the sites with notes of who to contact when you get you come across him,…some claim he is homeless on the streets , some think he is being held somewhere but fact is he dissappeared and noone heard much…his wife was held and terrorized codl war style though..hopefully he is somewhere and is writing a book..I will try looking u p soem info on him online

  155. oriana says

    Hi Ladies, just got it together today, I am not surprised Tom’s mom is there with her Lib, she is like a shadow, maybe she is there taking care of Suri. I just don’t think all this togetherness is normal, thought the same thing about Jessica Simpson and her family, I don’t like her either! She is stupid to me and her sister is much prettier now since she got her nose job, Jessica should get one.

    Mia, I read that link about David, weird, but very interesting! Yes, I would like to have more info on the guy that took care of LRH. No qualms at all about spending Scientol money gambling and having good times, either the people that donate all this money don’t care, or in the dark, or ignorant about their dollars floating away! It is pitiful to me!

  156. Libraesque says

    weird
    I also just read that tomkat and co. are already reeking havoc on the MM set and that Ted Danson was so pissed he not only moved out of the house they rented for him (it was next to the cruise house) but that he took off for Europe for a week! He was overheard at a B&B complaining about TomKat!!!
    TC also ruined a cast only dinner!!! He invited himself, changed the rez from one big table to three so they cancelled the dinner!!!
    ALSO, the extras are in an uproar because they’re only given an hours notice to be on set because of Katie so SAG has had to get involved because of possible violations!!!!!

    She is absolutely commiting career suicide. If this keeps up she’ll never get hired.

    And HIS MOM is there with her!!!!
    I think KH’s mom should go down there and kick some ass!!

  157. says

    Hey LIB
    BIZZARE STORY…This morning TMZ run a story on holmes and I went back to read the comments, the story has been pulles..seems like some is flexing muscle..have you noticed that even the entertainment show dont ever comment on Katie Holmes clothes on fashion police and that kind of stuff…..I thought there was something going as to why her news dont run…but I strongly suspect no one want to be embrioled in the famous Law suits

    check out the link;
    if you look at the comment you will see comments on Holmes but the story is gone…its basically said she was happier away from Cruise and is being flirty with her love interest…

    http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/02/britneys-15-minutes-of-comeback/

    oh well…she is going to be hard to promote in any movie…seems like the other two ladies have to work their but off to carry this movie..she is going to be a dad weight…hope she changes her attitude or esle she will only be working for midget

  158. Libraesque says

    kelly, what kind of a jackass are you anyway??

    you CANNOT send an e-mail to someone pretending to be two different people!!!!!!!! Mia and Amy don’t live in the same area you dumbass!!!! It’s so easy to check, why are you being so stupid………..cuz you are??????

    and don’t try to pretend NOW that I have asked all of you to PROVE you’re not the one that’sy posing as all these people, that this is all a waste of time.

    E-mail me and put an end to all of it

    OTHERWISE JACKIEJEN, etc are all the same people

  159. says

    You know what ..I am still suprised that these ppl come up and keep harping on about a multiple personality

    I am sorry if you ahve been fooled by Jackie or if you are jackie, but I really dont think I care enoug to engage in any kind of conversation with either of you

    Malayka you dont have nay right to tell others how to treat another blogger

    and kelly you keep harping on since yesterday , arent you tired yet because you really are not worth the energy..maybe you can write something sensible I might actually get something to talk about with you

    the fact the you are all caryying jackie nonsense only makes me think you are her since she is teh one who was psycho enough to invent this multiple ID nonsense

  160. Kelly says

    Miapocca, get over yourself. I was answering Lib not you. Stick to talking to yourself adn your clones.

  161. Malayka says

    I can’t believe I went away and we are still on this topic. Lets agree to disagree. Those who want to treat Miapocca/Amy/ Shadow girl as one person, please do, those who don’t please continue addressing her as different people. As simple as that.

    Miapocca, if you are posting as many people, at least I think you are shadow girl, thats slimy but we cannot waste a whole thread on that.

  162. says

    isnt it funny to note that I am nto even addressing anyone of these people and yet they cant help but leave me comments

    I must really threaten you

    HILARIOUS

    Laughing all the way to the starbucks

  163. Kelly says

    Please, give me a break, if you have nothing better to do. Miapocca/Amy/ Shadow girl are the same and it is sick that she also writes to you as two defferent people. What??

  164. says

    LIB..frankly these ppl are not worth the energy the fact that they go on and on about the multiple ID actually raises questions of what their multiple ID are…

    Frankly , who would have the time to interact with intellectualy challenged fools with stupid questions and statements that are just too silly for words

    The childish games and accusations are jsut a way of detracting from JACKIE s behaviour , so its actaully interesting to note that the 3 ppl who go on and on about it are JACKIE/Kelly/Megan

    Anyway I dont really care if they are one and the same person because I think its pathetic to go behave in such a manner and also take an argument out of cyber space into mail boxes you have not been invited to

    Maybe her pimply arse self is sitting in some attic in manchester and concoting up invisible friends…its the only explanation I can get for these girls harping on about a mistake jackie made and refuses to accept

    I think that all the thinker on this site know the truth and those I communicate with also know the truth and these girls are not worth the time

    Orianna , Xena, will talk to you guys later on

  165. Libraesque says

    what the fuck are you talking about…. starring in movies??????????????

    are you NUTS???

    anyone with half a brain can see that NONE of the people mentioned seem similar in their posts, AT ALL.. DO you exchange e-mails at a private account with anyone here on this board? Because I do, with Amy, Mia and Oriana, and I can assure you THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT IP’s

    I happen to know EXACTLY why I wasn’t involved in all this.

    So cut the CRAP and e-mail me at the address above or you are jackie without a doubt, and you’re doing what’s known as projecting….you’re accusing other people of doing EXACTLY what you do, which is post using 3-4 different user names

  166. Kelly says

    Lib, you want to star in a movie, you don’t have the looks. LOL.

    No one is even talking to you or interested in you. Mia and her clones did not even need Jackie to expose them. You are the only one who still buys her crap. At least now we know better. Frankly she is a creep for using different names and then addressing herself. Her samey posts and what Megan said about all her clones posting at the same time give her away more than anything Jackie has said or done.

  167. Libraesque says

    okay, lets put an end to ALL this nonsense

    JACKIE, I want you to e-mail me
    JEN, I want you to e-mail me
    KELLY, I want you to e-mail me
    ORIANA, I want you to e-mail me

    PROVE once and for all who you are so we can STOP THIS RIDICULOUS NONSENSE and NOT take up anymore time and space on this blog
    Because frankly any IDIOT knows you CANNOT see e-mail addresses that are HIDDEN on a website

    And jackie you have ONLY proven OVER and OVER that you DO NOT have this capability
    NO ONE that you claim you’ve e-mailed got your e-mails

    You’ve convieniently left me out of all this, and I think I know why, you’re NOT fooling ANYONE
    so I’m TAKING OVER this bullshit to put an end to it

    If all of you do not e-mail me by today, everyone will know you’re all the same people.

    rhoda_morgenstern@hotmail.com

  168. Jackie says

    Lib, I thought you posted that already? Will Smith is top iwth almost $300 mil and yet Cruise’s flop MI3 garnered $400 Mil???? and War of the worlds close to $600 Mil. That douche bag should not be paid any more for such crappy reasearch.

    Please don’t make me lose respect for newsweek, I always trusted its reports as well researched and writing as wee thought out. I will treat that report as an abberration on their part.

    And Mr Pitt, why was he at No. 4, unless of course he was one of the industry insiders interviewed.

  169. Libraesque says

    from Newsweek
    Hanks, Cruise and Gibson used to be the top guns, but not anymore. Meet the new most powerful actor on the planet—Will Smith.
    For almost as long as there have been power lists, Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise—”The Toms”—have jockeyed for first position, occasionally letting Mel Gibson sneak up on the rail, just to keep things interesting. But just like that, the race has changed. Gibson hasn’t starred in a major film in five years. Cruise lost his cool on Oprah’s couch, and it’s unclear if he can get it back. And Hanks, while undeniably bankable, is, at 50, no longer viable for most leading-man scripts. In the past year, all three men have been eclipsed. With a worldwide career box office of $4.4 billion, Will Smith is now the most powerful actor in Hollywood, followed by Johnny Depp and Ben Stiller. Talk about punctuated (or maybe that should be “punctured”) equilibrium. “The industry is going through a sea change, not just with actors, but in every way,” says one industry insider who, like others interviewed for this story, asked for anonymity to prevent offending other stars. “Will Smith is the only thing in this business—the only thing—that represents a guaranteed opening weekend.” He may be even bigger than that. “Let’s put it this way,” says one studio head, “there’s Will Smith, and then there are the mortals.”

    NEWSWEEK’s power rankings are guided—through interviews with studio heads, agents and producers—by that definition. The choice for the No. 1 spot was unanimous. At 38, Smith’s worldwide box office is more than Adam Sandler’s and Will Ferrell’s combined. He’s bankable in every genre, whether sci-fi (“I, Robot”), action-comedy (“Men in Black”), romantic comedy (“Hitch”) or drama (“The Pursuit of Happyness”). It was “Happyness,” a downbeat film that grossed an astounding $298 million worldwide, that opened the industry’s eyes to Smith’s reach.

  170. Megan says

    Yeah Mia, why were you refering to American Universities if you are not from there? You are wierd sister!!!!

  171. Megan says

    I can’t stop humming the BUSTED song, it has been in my head since yesterday. Hadn’t heard it in a long time.

    Busted………………..busted………guilty guilty………….busted..

  172. Jen says

    MIa, you comparison of the US Servers to London made me think you’re an American and yes I haven’t read all you comments like I’ve stated before so I don’t know where you’re from.

    Again I’m sorry for trying to interact with you even though you’ve asked me not too so I’ll mind my on business in the future.

  173. Megan says

    You see!! You seeeee!!!!

    Even before I could finish writing that post. Amy appeared too. Any one still thinks these three are different people? Personally I don’t. It is spooky when she addresses herself. She must be a truly strange person. Never met any one like her. Honestly! I am glad she is not from the US we already have a reputation for having a crazy president, we can’t have sick bloggers too. Miapocca, you are loco.

    OK write using all your names but please don’t address your self, it just spooks me. You sound like those people who have multiple personality and believe that there are different people in them.

  174. says

    I dont think that cross country comparisons should be left to the natives of the the countries, our else where would we be..purely subjective information from people like you who cant hink objectively

    Where is Xenus name did you think that a person should not offer an opinion simply because they do not reside in that country…if you even read anything I write its quite obviious that I am not American…..

    Now pay attention if you want to interact with me..because your thinking skills are clearly not up to standards and frnakly too boring even to be funny and offer reliefe from my boring readings

    By the way , I did look up your last link and it was quite nice pictures of the Beckham household…
    see as an objective person , thanking you is quite easy to do when I percieve you have done somethingof interest to me and I will say the opposite if I feel otherwise. I sincerely hope that people can be honest and just state their opinions and stop attacking other people

    For Jackie, I spent a whole day not answering your nonsense and you just had to keep going on with the nonsese. Frankly I am tired of it and I have a whole lot to do this week that I need laugther rather than this nonsense..hell, I ‘ll even take a peek at baby SOURIs to give me something to smile about…

    Sincerely.,
    Desperate for starbucks

  175. amy says

    ok just for the record JACKIE the WHACKIE

    i left my coment, as i stated, at 8am uk time in the morning, am just back now and its just after 4pm…

    its INEVITABLE you stupid morong, that the times i have available to comment will cross with others, YOU included…

    NOW…why the need to secretely email Malayka and others information which you CLAIM is proof about three of us being one person…

    simply put it here for all to see…

    it seems to me you are trying yet again to be sneaky and devious in your behaviour…truly pathetic..

    and by the way…anyone who she has emailed…just a warning…

    when libra annoyed jackie the other week jackie posted libra’s email address all over the net on many many filthy porn websites…

    so either close your account or stay ‘sweet’ with the ‘woman’..

    and thats not an attempt to slander her, she BOASTED about her actions straight after she did it…

    i don’t give a toss who anyone thinks i am

    never had
    never will

  176. Jen says

    Sorry for trying….I just feel someone should not talk about things they don’t know specially concerning the UK. specially if you are an American.

  177. Megan says

    See what I mean, Shadow girl appears then Miapocca follows. Coincidence? No! Creepy.

    Just you wait, Amy is not far behind.

  178. says

    Poor Jen…Dont feel the need to educate me on the internet..I am quite confident in my knowledge

    I dont remember saying that UK universities were bad. I have been to one , a very good one too, I have also studied on the continent,-EU, north america, central america and africa…So although I can offer a comparison of eudcation systems I cannot say carte blanche that one country offers better education than the other…it depends on you needs and how you want to learn your material…

    However when it comes to IT in univeristies, I believe the US is a place that ranks pretty high if I exclude the Asian techies.

    The mentality of some of you teenagers just leeds me to think that you are still in the lower level of education. You may well be right that there have been improvements but frankly I dont think it up to the standards of what some in other parts of the world are used to …….

    Have you checked out your out graduation rates in the UK lately.. In case you havent realised the UK hasnt been faring well lately except latch on the back of the US in trying to exercise some delusional sense of power from long ago..And not to say the US is making some very good descisions either….even your neighbouring european countries could give you a run for your limited technology..

    Ever taken the Eurostar…..once you cross that channel onto the english side the train reduces speed dramatically…I mean you may have been at the height of civilization once but clinging to the old is costing you dearly in a very competitive market place

    Once again let me tell you why I dont like communicating with u…you extrapolate, make assumptions beyond what is written and come up with your own nonsense

    Yes one texan univeristy may very well have a lot more servers than the city of london..I think one university may very well take up a good part of london..now I am not familiar with manchester other than the flagging football team that I hope will be driven down to the ground soon my that ole crow fergie (just wishful thinking)

    Oh and I am in london and Europe twice a year, every year for the last decade so yes I arrive at my opinions based on my experiences…

  179. Shadow Girl says

    MM hmmm. What we have here is JACKIE=the dumb twat w/too much time on her hands. It’s 11 AM here where I live in the USA, so don’t jump to conclusions, eh, twat?

    PS-tell Tom to stop spanking it with the monkey. He’ll fuckin’ go blind.

    PS-PROVE THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME PERSON. You do not have a chance in hell to prove that we are, thank U very much.

    Now, start pissin’ on me like I’m an individual, all right? I can handle whatever your dicksucking pussy brain can dish out..if you’re smart.

  180. Jen says

    Mia, sorry to address you but after reading one of your comment #664 I couldn’t help myself but reply. What you said about the London/UK Internet service was wrong. What year where you in the UK? 1989? Your statement is wayyyyyyyyy OFF. It all depend on what type of Internet Service Provider you have.

    I live in Manchester and I use BT broadband which is one of the fastest service and its 24/7 access. Are you in the IT business? If you are you should know having access 24/7 to the internet doesn’t make your service faster it all depend on what type of service and computer you have. The internet place/library you used might have been slow because the computer might have been outdated and have lots of programs.

    I was laughing so hard about what you said: London having many servers as one university will have in the US… 🙂 I hope you don’t really believe that. 1 in 3 homes in the UK have a broadband ( Fast internet) access in their homes.

    About email address.
    In blogs like this its easy to find out about people email addresses IF the blog template is not encoded. Over 90% of Spammers get people’s email addresses from websites or blogs like this.

    About IP address
    Everyone who is connected to the Internet has a unique IP address including yours MIA and has nothing to do with having a fewer server and its a well know fact that many websites and most hackers use IP addresses to monitor your personal business and your home address once your IP address is known. If your IP address isn’t hidden anyone with Internet access can track you directly to your home. If you are a regular blogger the best thing to do is hide your IP address and get your privacy.

    Also the education system in the UK is very respected and very high standard, if someone has a college/Uni degree in the UK they are more likely to be accepted for work anywhere in the world over USA degrees.

  181. MIAPOCCA says

    I think it a little strange that for someon who truimphantly wants to expose someon, you wouldn want to put the garbage you made up on here as amy had requested…

    Priceless…I really do think people need to take a step back a take a good hard look at you for who you claim to be…

    I am apt to believe you lie so much that you beleive your own lies or are jsut palin demented as in clam juice

    ….never in my life have I came across a pathological liar…I have heard about them but never communicated with one…this is suprising…i guess I am beginnning to understand scott pertersons case …ahhaha

    Is this a ploy fo rus to go all huff and bothered and try to ptove we are not the same person , so stupidly post personal information online for you to do wahtever sick actions you want to take…

    Seriously, I am totally flabbergasted at this scenario…it means so much to you to give false proof that you will resort to making it up and inviting yourself into someones email box..someone you dont even know…

    in case you havent realises, we are all strangers on here and crossing the boundaries of cyber space as you do is a little worrying for other users online…….its simply a little too personal…frankly I cant even begin to comprehend your maddness..

    AMAZING…will you like to take part in a reasearch project….I can refer to to the recruiting insitution in london…it pays quite well and you get a pysical and all

    you much really be needy for attention inorder to violate someone privacy in such a manner…not to mention the lies you are feeding to these people/

    WOw..shocking!!!

  182. Jackie says

    Iam sorry the link refused to upload on the post but read this week’s O.K magazine. Nice Suri pics

  183. Jackie says

    Sorry Malayka about this whole nosense. I have replied your e-mail and of course I would never hack a computer. All I wanted was to expose this character and that part I do not regret.

    Here is something funny I wanted to share. Suri in 25 years, the part I find funny is that even 25 years later, new starlets are still hanging with Paris Hilton. That is so funny. I don’t think Tom can let Suri near Britney’s spawn. May be Rossdale. But I can’t see her in showbiz. The scan is very funny though.

  184. MIAPOCCA says

    IF YOU HAVE GIVEN OUT YOUR ADDRESS TO JACKIE

    1: Clean up all the emails in your box.

    2:Change all personal indentifiers, your name first

    3: Clean out the addressbook

    5: You can leave it open and use just for blogs

    6: Open a new email account that you can use with family and highly trusted persons only

    7: Do not compromise your security unless you are very very very sure of who you are dealing with and you have expressly invited them to communicate with you…otherwise delete the email, dont let your curiousity get the better of you, delete any unknown emails especially with attachments or else you compromise your computer and anyone in your addressbook

    Enjoy

  185. MIAPOCCA says

    Malayka..I am sorry that you think that way..because I sincerely think you are way off..however as said earlier the best way to deal with someone you percieve as a mulitple ID is to ignore them and I am more than happy to stop communicating with you

    I simply advised you out of concern for a fellow human being, I would do that for anyone because its who I am …I sincerely hope you can develop your senses to be a better judge of character with time.

    I dont think jackie is dangerous, just demented.Since I know what can be done with a email address, if not by yourself then by paying others to do it, I advise anyone not to give out any information on any of these blogs, especially a tomkat blog

    I believe this terminates our communication.

    Ciao

  186. Malayka says

    Thanks for the advice Miapocca. Remember I told you you were shadow girl before any one said it. I still believe you are, nothing has changed. I will of course delete the e-mail after my husband had looked at it and I wrote back to Jackie and gave her my opinion. I don’t have to tell you what I wrote, she will read it in her e-mail.

    If you say you use blogs to get rid of your stress am afraid you do not sound like you got rid of any of it. You still sound stressed, angry and bitter. I will take more precaution in future and will not use my e-mail address when am posting. I can’t change my laptop because it is expensive and frankly, I don’t think Jackie is that dangerous. I don’t think you are dangerous either, just deluded with misguided loyalties and a burning anger. I wonder who hurt you that much.

    Again, lets drop the no sense. Miapocca, stick to one nickname and your scientology hate posts. We get your point. Scientology is evil, but still Cruise will remain up there I guess no matter how many faux pas he commits.

  187. MIAPOCCA says

    amy apparently I am you ……

    what are the name sof your kids again???

    hhahaha..I cant even remeber the name of my own kids….I will be pretty scadalous to be known that I have 2 grown up sons…where have I been hiding them..an what a social uproar it will create ahahahhahahhaha

    oh my …these guys are funny

    dont all find it strange that tomkat is like a virus eating away at people judgement…

    if you cant even tell two people apart, how the heck do you get the right information…ahahhaha

    oh my..this girl is sick I tell you..she has convinced herself of this lie and is following through with the emaill..

    ahhahahhahaha…this is totally funny…oh I dont even care to know what you are emailing because its all crap and the people over on the other site are going to die laughing when they get on here…

    Only the other night I was having a conversation with amy about INXS..can you imagine how taxing it would have been to go back and forth between myself and me ..ahahhahahhaa

    Descrediting people is nothing new to scientologists…she cannot put her lies up online but will email to people who are technologially challeged ..ahahhahahhahahha

    Orianna please dont give out your email or personal info to anyone on here, including myself, no matter how well we get along…

    at this point this jackie person could be masquerading as anyone to attempt to hurt people…

  188. MIAPOCCA says

    oh my xenu pricless…resorting to send peronsal email to people..

    its so fanny…since all these clones communicate back and forth on another blog..it quite hilarious to imagine how I change in character to repsond to myself…hahaah bahahha

    Malyaka no offense but I really use blogs to get rid of my stress and chaning personalities is nto my thing..I could not even be in a school play since I hated being another character..

    jackie ..do you realise how sick you are, because you are actually spreading lies to people into thier personla account too

    Malyaka..this is not about supporting a fellow tomkat fan, I advise you to clean up that email box and everything in it..open a new one and forget about this..and next time dont give your email out to people online even if you deem to be in the same camp..because jackie is crossing the lines here….do it to protect yourself ….SHE IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK!!!…CHANGE YOUR EMAIL, especially if its the same one you use to communicate with friends…..always keep blog email seperate from your personal email….

    goodluck with your “friend” jackie

  189. Malayka says

    What a blood bath!!!!!

    I got an e-mail from Jackie and I just opened it this morning. Heck I don’t even know what the links and numbers mean so I will have to ask my husband. Jackie, where as I emphathise with your position and am on your side, I am rather uncomfortable with your accessing and using my e-mail address.

    I told Miapocca that it was pretty obvious she was shadow girl on the other Tomkat thread, she quit and returned as shadow girl without even any tact. From your e-mail she also appears to be Amy but like I said, am not exactly expert in that area. Could you guys let the subject drop? don’t think any one seriousl thought Miapocca was different from those other posters but if she wants to do that, then I guess she is very childish to think people can fall for that.

    Now I would like to congragulate Tom Cruise on his achievement. He truly deserves it. No other actor comes close at least in my opinion. I can bet he will still be in that position next year even if he jumped on 100 couches on talk shows. He worked for this for almost 30 years. Good for him.

  190. MIAPOCCA says

    CLONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

    where are you clone…jackie is hearing several voices at once..she thinks they are clones..I think one whispered clone adn it stuck..she cant get it out of her head.

    Poor misunderstod teenage daughter….she is hilarious

    thinks grow up think like she does…fankly if I had a kid who lied so blatantly..I think I will rather get her out of my household than have her pollute the rest of the family with her nonsense…hhmm…almost forgot in Jackie’s case, have to put her in a mental facility ….but wait, i hear scientology is willing to take her at her own expense..ahahhahahhaaaaaaaaaahahhahahha

  191. MIAPOCCA says

    IP INFO FOR Y’ALL

    Okay all that jackie wants is email from someone so she can quote their IP address.

    If you have any pop mail account eg hotmail, gmail , yahoo. ..you can go to options and select advanced messager headers..this will give you the full routing information of that message..where it was sent from..in short how your pc communicated to get that one message to the other PC

    looks something like this:
    ——————————
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    X-Originating-IP: [197.174.106.89]
    X-Originating-Email: [bluebell@fashion.com]
    X-Sender: bluebell@fashion.com
    Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com ([xx.xx.xxx.xxx]) by bay0-imc1-s31.bay0.fashion.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:43:56 -0700
    Received: from fashion.com ([xx.x.xx.xxx]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:39:15 -0700
    Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:39:14 -0700
    Received: from 64.4.39.123 by by140fd.bay140.fashion.com with HTTP;Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:39:09 GMT
    X-Message-Info: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    13:39:14.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[723E5AE0:01C788D1]
    Return-Path: bluebell@fashion.com

    _________________________________

    So anyway , once you pick up that IP you can find the location by plugging it online..however the location doesnt say much unless the servers are so limited that vitually anyone can be pinged by the administrator

    when I asked JACKIE to tell me what an IP address was like, she gave me a fake UK composition ..never bothered to check.that.The above is also a UK composition…I will not tell you the difference..you can go online and search for your answers

    POOR TWATS….keep threatening ppl with that nonsense of limited intelligence and I shall teach you a thing or 2.

    OH I already congratulated midget on his placemnt..is it supposed to hurt me or something..I dont quite understand your demented reasoning..ahahhahhaha

    HILARIOUS……..

  192. Jackie says

    You can boycott all you want Miapocca but if you return, please lose your clones. Let me guess, you will try to return each clone one by one so that you say they are not following each other. How predictable. I had not read Kelly post with the Busted song, that is hilarious. Funniest thing I have seen on this thread. Ever!

    Before you go; Did you know that Forbes has named TOM CRUISE the MOST POWERFUL CELEBRITY this year? You know, Thomas Cruise Mapother, the one who is ‘over’ according to you? Tsk tsk tsk , must hurt. OUCH! At least you have clones to absorb some of the hurt. LOL.

  193. MIAPOCCA says

    hey clones where are you ahahahhahahhahahha

    I cant believe this…its so hilarious…

    what is the mental condition wher one cant tell the truth

    …..rant rant rant all because you made false accusations….

    do you by chance use diifernt IDs on here is that how you came about the multiple ID thing.\

    Try TMZ …I am sure you will becomwe quite intimate wiht my views on there

    HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and patheric….its like a mouse in a cage running aroudn in circles and finally mistakes her tail for food…she bit herself in the ARSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    hahhaha…got my starbucks folks..

  194. MIAPOCCA says

    HILARIOUS…THIS TWAT just wont quit talking at me..too bad you arent infront of me..I will enjoy giving you some martial arts lessons..haahahha

    oh my enu..she is hilarious…all this to cover up one little lie…lying must mean a whole lot to some people..

    I still think she is demented, I cant for th elofe of me , why even in his annoymous space, someone will lie….hmmmm I hope your “friends” are aware of this..because I really am quick to cut off anyone in my real personal space who cant communicate with honest, no matter how mean it is

    I can only surmise we have a bucnh of english teenagers her…I have ot tell you I find it incredible how the english can hold on to one thing endlessly…like when a song tops the charts for week and weeks on end….they are always fascinated with things outside of thier own country…you are addicts of austrialian shows and gussle up any american trash sent their way….

    the press is a little slow on the cruise uptake across the atlantic…and oH LIB , jackie doesnt know much about forbes..its not her everyday reading..I think she is an avid reader of something else..like midgets arse hairs. ahahhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…

    http://www.sun.co.uk

  195. Jackie says

    Mia, dear don’t pull out your hair, How can you say Oriana and Xena appear following each other like you and your clones? Xena fan only commented on the last two Tomkat threads and Oriana is a regular. Heck even on this thread they have not been near each other and their ideas are so different. Orian loves Tom Cruise the actor, husband and father and believe Tom and Katie’s love is real but cannot stand scientology and Tom the scientologist. Xenafan hates Cruise period. But at least she does not have clones who help her hate.

  196. MIAPOCCA says

    today is BOYCOTT JACKIE TWAT day!!!!

    YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Have to go write some programs ………….been up for almost 48 hours..ahahha

    Xena if I dont take care I will end up on your table…do you do make up and all that…sort of reminds me of the Dan Akroyd, Curtis movie…

    that was a good summer movie…hmmm…I recently saw the the Halle, Willis movie..perfect stranger…anyone else see it, let me know what you think

  197. Jackie says

    Miapocca, the only delusional one is you. You can insult me all you want but you and your clones at least are exposed. I am sure even the most naive posters can see for themselves. Where are the rest of your clone, Amy et al? Died like Dolly the sheep? LOL

    You picked a wrong star to hate. If I had enough time on my hands I would bring you all your ‘Tom Cruise the midget is over’ quotes. How sad that someone who is over, reigns supreme as the most POWERFUL celebrity on earth according to Forbes magazine?

    I would at this point kindly advise you to refrain from making any more declarations and predictions, like UA is going to fail, because you will be swallowing them sooner than later. Heck I bet you have swallowed enough poor judgements in your life time. But not to worry, with three clones, you can always share so that you do not gag. LOL

  198. MIAPOCCA says

    BORING…obviously a lame ass scientologist who is so sick that her cult is being hammered on here…

  199. MIAPOCCA says

    So Orianna and Xena show up at the same time…whoohooo they are the same person

    Also the only reason you are instent about this muliple identity is because it the ONLY sorry excuse you can come up with about lying about me..

    Without that its so Blantant that you are a manipulative, sick deemted twisted scientologist with nothign to do but decieve and abuse ppls trust for you own profit.

    Sorry kiddo…I am not anyonelse.

    FACT remains you lied once, came back and said it was because I was amy, you got caught again and decided that I was now shadow…make up you rmind will yer

    You are A LIAR..now scurry away twat..I have a life to save…

  200. Jackie says

    Yep Mia sweetheart, and I have told every one that I even purchased their beginners book and read a lot about it, that is why I know that these mommy classes are indeed parenting guidance lessons taken voluntarily by those members who want to and not a must like the thread states. I even told someone, I think it was Oriana, that I did would not recomend any one joins unless they are drug addicts or suicidal. You have time, go check the Suri birthday thread.

    At least I don’t appear with three clones following me where I come to post which clones dis appear whenver I leave. LOL

  201. MIAPOCCA says

    Jackie..the address that I posted is for for the fool !!!! who went about speading LIBS email on teh web..she would have already changed that address by now

    and why in xenus name will I want to communicate with you ….you must be delusional..you are not my cup of tea…and apart shadowing me about on here..I wouldnt care less if you fel lon a very sharp blade sticking up from your floor

    Now get lost…and

  202. MIAPOCCA says

    The fact that she is london tells me a lot about her internet capabilities…they are so wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind…when I go to london I almost go out of my mind with the quality of internet service…ahahah

    it a lot different than in the US where you have 24/7 access

    I tried the local library in once in central London..it was just terrible

    Sorry UK ppl no offense but I just really get frustrated on this..I skipped out of grad school in LSHTM because of that reason alone…could not imagine going back a decade in computer use

    So anyway Jackie..London had has many servers as one univeristy will have in the US and !!!! who said she was in Africa,…one US univeristy has more servers than one african country..sorry kiddo but you are way over your heads here…

    My friend actually thinkS she knows a lot about computers and takes classes and stuff in london..I dont have the heart to tell him that the stuff he is learning is coomon knowledge picked up by simply using the computer a lot…hahahahhahahhahah
    way behind kiddos…

    LIB ..didnt your pal say it was a NO NO in the UK to b elooking up IP addresses.
    I understand why Jackie thinks the IP address is important…maybe in the UK with fewwer servers it is..but frankly with the intense use of computers and the sheer gazillions of terminals available in the US ..IPs dont mean shit…
    The only way you can get advanced tech knowledge if you are in Europe is by working in the porn industry…very sophisticated techies in that feild..

    POOR TWAT!!!

  203. Jackie says

    How predictable, Amy/Miapocca/ and Shadow girl woke up at the same time!!! Hmmmmmmmm, Am wondering why. At least don’t say I didn’t warn you that they would. Refer to my post #643, so who is right ???

    And wait, they will all disappear at the same time. How convinient that you did not recieve your e-mail Miapocca! I sent it twice, one to the aol address that you posted another to the e-mail you use here which is hidden. I will send it again if you wish! Well, at least the rest did and they know and that is what matters.

    Amy, why are you asking me why you did not recieve your e-mail when you were not on the list that I said I e-mailed? Could it be that your other alias is Miapocca the only hater who was on the list?

    Why am I still beating this dead horse? So that even those who did not get these e-mails like Oriana, Carleigh and new comers to the site are aware that there are two pathetic characters on this site, one of whom posts in several different names. Notice that I still respect the rest of the Cruise bashers because that is their business, heck, I don’t even mind Lib’s foolish attempts to deny the obvious that Cuise is still on top, at least she does not come with 5 different clones to make one point!

    Just to remind you.

    According to FORBES MAGAZINE 2007, Tom Cruise is the
    ‘MOST POWERFUL CELEBRITY’ I will repeat,

    the MOST POWERFUL, not richest, not coolest, not naughtiest, but MOST POWEFUL CELEBRITY. I love it!

  204. MIAPOCCA says

    I didnt know how she intended to annoy us losers since in this case scientology was doign me a great favour my absorbing yet another psycho off the streets….I am mor ethan happy to concede the jackies of this world to that cult..There are humans worth saving than that twat

    Her reasoning is a little off by my standards…I certainly dont let people in cyber space , especially ones I dont like manipulate my daily actions…..poor twat

  205. MIAPOCCA says

    this is jackie a while back
    http://babyrazzi.com/baby/2007/03/13/tom-katie-take-suri-to-connors-basketball-game/#comments

    65. Jackie | March 15th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
    Libraesque and Miapocca, last week I passing the scientology centre at Tottenham Court road in London with my friend and I decided to pop in just to annoy you losers who think you are achieving anything by trashing TC. Actually it is your posts that made me so fascinated so when I saw I decided to check it out. It is not so bad.

    Unless they sign their own visitors book, I think quite a number of people are warming to this so called cult. Infact I will be visiting it again to learn more.

    I got the impression they are not as weird as you would like us to believe. The irony is that you guys especially Miapocca were the reason I decided to visit it in the first place.

    I am not sure your scientology is a cult campaign is working!!!!!

  206. MIAPOCCA says

    Jackie said a while back on one of the tomkat threads that she was in london and went with a friend to teh scientology center to pick up brochures etc…This she claimed was to spite me…..I think she had a difficult mother-daugther relationship based on her oxford capacity analysis of course…so she she projects way beyond simple opinion from strangers online

    I think its the same jackie

    she is just a liar..I think she was hoping the scientologist tech guy coulf wield some powers and magically give out out personal info….i think they found out that they are challenged and societal drop outs who dont have any powers worth shit..thats whenthey stoop tp DECIET

    The best power a person can have is sheer goodness ..

    now enough of that twat..

  207. amy says

    Jackie….I haven’t received any ’email’ from you…still waiting…

    if you had this so called ‘proof’ about my location, you would EASILY see that I am in the UK and therefore on a different time zone…its just after 8 am for me right now..

    this ‘multiple poster’ business is just ridiculous…think what you want i don’t really give a damn…whats funny is that YOU admit to and have been caught doing it yourself …

    i have no time for liars and bullies…and your scare tactics just don’t work on me…you might think you have people in a panic but not me psycho lady…

    now…believe about me, mia, and shadow girl what ever turns you on….i know we all have our own beliefs about you…and if YOU ARE in london as someone mentioned above…well gee…my location should be DEAD easy for you to track…..

    face facts, tom is just a rich, aging, has been….yes of course he has ‘power’ to some extent…but its drop drop dropping as each minute ticks by….the man is considered by hundreds of thousands accross the PLANET as a walking and talking JOKE these days…

  208. Shadow Girl says

    PS-Jackie, I know you’ve wished so and so to have car accidents and whatnot. Well, let me tell ya:
    I’ve had 4 operations
    2 car accidents
    2 chronic diseases
    4 ER visits
    Plus, numerous medical testing. I think I’ve had more than my fair share, thank you very much.

    Xenafan96: I love ghosts and anything to do with a haunting! It’s my passion, I love to read ghost stories! Anything spooky happen, anyone? I love hearing real life stories about spooky encounters as well.
    (yes, I may be strange at loving the paranormal, but at least I’m not obsessed w/TC and $cien crap.)

    KEEP THE HATE!

    PS-people who think he’s an OK actor, I got nothng against. I’ll not get into it, not at this time of night for me.

  209. Shadow Girl says

    All right, calm down everyone.

    It’s perfectly natural for ignorant people to assume amy/me/miapocca/LIB are one in the same. Interesting, I have my email addy here and nothing has come to me!

    Truth: U can get a vague location from an IP address, but if you call up that ISP, looking for the consumer, they’ll just tell ya to piss off.

    My friends, you all sound very diplomatic in your hate.

    FUCK, I enjoyed reading about the burger stuff, just silly nonsense but entertaining, then comes Jackie and disturbs the banter.

    Stop with the song lyrics on here, particularly when they’re quite unnecessary.

    Jackie, go back to what you’re best at-licking the midget’s sweaty balls. Put your head back up there and get your intelligence back! If you ever had any….

    I don’t want to hear any more about tracing IP adddresses by ANYONE! Am I making myself CLEAR?!

    Go lick Tom’s dick, pro Tom people. We anti Cruise will entertain ourselves with images of having him fail. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

    ” United Artists will fail! Tom will be jumping up and down on top of a desk screaming about how clever he is!”

    Back to that enjoyable banter, eh?
    Happy May Day!
    11:12 PM, EST

  210. MIAPOCCA says

    Jackie refrain from making any comments with my name it ..keep to your lies and leave me out of your nonsense

  211. Jackie says

    Lib, if those tactics are responsible for his longevity in the industry adn his being twice hollywood’s most powerful star, then others should learn from him. Was Matt Lauer scripted? I don’t know any network that would refuse to interview Cruise if you offered him to them. He is hot now and even Lauer admitted his ratings sky rocked, so did Oprah and Dianne, those were his last interviews. If his interviews are too scripted for you, then don’t watch. One moment they say, he is out of control another he controls his interviews, make up your minds. He can’t be a lizard and a snake.LOL

    I will tell you something else he said; that what he loves about Katie is the way she sticks out her tongue when she is happy and excited. It makes him crazy.

  212. oriana says

    Well I have always thought they were in love and it wasn’t a sham, as I have always said, Katie isn’t that good of an actor, Tom, on the other hand, could do it ten times over.

    Didn’t know anything about Oprah on Diane Sawyer saying she didn’t believe it, that is disappointing to me.

    Tom did look very good with gray hair in Collat but that nose of his ruins everything for me.

    Speilberg fell out with Tom, WHY? Didn’t see Last Samurai, I did read where Jamie Foxx said Tom came to his house and hung out with his homies, none were famous and they couldn’t get over what a reg. guy Tom Cruise was, that impressed me.

    Mel is probably still boozing it up so his true colors will shine thru again. Back in the day when I whooped it up a little bit, I would have loved to party with him but could not take that mouth for very long.

    Have not seen Babel, heard Brad did an excellent job, but I will see it, not for him but because of Kate, love her, and when saw Aviator as Kate Hepburn, that sealed the deal for me.

  213. Libraesque says

    Tom Cruise Reads His PR Script to Diane Sawyer
    Tom Cruise spoke to Diane Sawyer in what can only be described as a fluff piece interview this past Friday night on ABC’s Primetime. Not only did every question seem contrived, but the responses sounded completely pre-rehearsed. I wouldn’t classify it as investigative journalism, since we didn’t really learn anything new.
    Tom confirmed that he and Katie Holmes are not conflicted in any way when it comes to their beliefs. Tom told Diane, “You can be Catholic and be a Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist, but we’re just Scientologists.”

    He also confirmed what we all already know – his fiance is so much younger than him that he thinks of her as a child. When asked about his feelings for Katie Holmes, Tom said, “She is extraordinary. She loves cupcakes. She loves to laugh.”

    Many in the business refuse to even interview him because he insists on a “scripted” interview so the interviewer isn’t actually doing his/her job, only reading the appropriate questions because Cruises life is shrouded in lies and deceit. He also asks all interviewers to sign confidentiality agreements in case something goes…….unscripted

  214. Jackie says

    Again, I don’t know a lot about Mr Pitt apart from that he run off with a ……….. He won an oscar for what? Why are you telling me about him? Was he nominated for an Oscar in the last 5 years? Has he had a box office hit in the last five years?

    I told you why Forbes compiles lists, it is not for fun or show, it is for investors and business people to make decisions. Dead celebs have properties and most of those on the list have estates which hold partnerships with living people. It is of busines interest for one to strike a deal to run the tourism side of Elvis’s ranch but they have to know that it is solvent.

    Newsweek is a readers’ magazine and am sure no one makes business decisions based on any of their list(s) (if they have any other). Haven’t seen that mag in a long time. Used to love it though.

  215. Jackie says

    Lib, I agree that is pathetic. Poor souls. But why are you telling us about another site? Don’t get me wrong, am just puzzled.

  216. Libraesque says

    Ori, I’ll explain the TC Oprah thing to you tomorrow, it’s scandalicious

    Jackie, you’re embarrassing yourself, big time.
    Brad Pitt has WON an Oscar, and Babel was nominated in 2006
    Oscars for TC………..NO, none

    SORRY!

    And questioning the validity of Newsweek, how pathetic are you? Specially when your almighty Forbes compiles lists like:
    TOP EARNING DEAD CELEBRITIES

    you need to seriously quit while your……well, behind.

  217. Jackie says

    Oriana, I do love Will Smith too and I laughed hard when he was last on Letterman, you should check it out, it is probably on you-tube. Frankly, I don’t think he is the biggest star, that is a lie probably told because it is hard to tell who rivals Tom Cruise. You can’t say Johnny Depp because magazines cannot sell on his name alone and if he acted a non pirates movie, no one can guarantee whether it will do as well.

    You can’t say that it is Will Smith either because he does not even earn a fraction of what cruise does and half of the world does not know who Ben Stiller is but I love his jokes, he is hillarious and I hope the rumour is true he will be teaming with Cruise soon. Brad Pitt has not had a hit movie in three years so I will not bother with him.

    That news weeklist wanted to pre-empt the forbes list like the GGs and Oscars but sadly, the writer failed and Cruise is till numero Uno.

    I loved collateral, I loved cruise the villain. But I loved the way he acted in last Samurai. H elooked soooo good!

    I think after working on the passion of christ, Gibson believes what he said about Jews, lets not kid ourselves, many people think that, not most, but many. It still does not make it right to utter those sentiments which are dangerous and can lead to a backlash against Jews.

    I still don’t know what was so wrong with jumping on the couch, it is just that some people got such an innocent act and poured all their venom and bitterness into critising it. Did he hurt any one, no. Did he force any one to watch? No, did he force any ne to believe his love? No, what did he do wrong? People who say that it is a sham relationship and they do not like being lied to, get over yourselves, everything is not about you!!

    People just wanted Cruise to take a dive and I guess they are disappointed he hasn’t and is still on top even Jammie foxx said this. Cruise is the only star whose career has never taken a dive and people wanted it to. But lo and behold, he is the most powerful star for a second year running.

    These lists are not made for fun, Forbes makes them to guide investors and the business community when they are putting their money in this industry. Who attracts crowds, who sells magazines, advertising, future project, that kind of thing. Matt Lauer confessed that Cruise appearance on his show did wonders for the show, even Oprah’s show cashed in onthe whole craze giving interviews as if she knew anything.

    Tom threw out Oprah because she said that she did not believe Tom’s love for Katie on the Dianne Sawyer show. He was really disappointed in her since most of hollywood has stood steadfast behind him through out all this. Spielberg has always maintained that their love was real and he was with them most of their first months. He could have kept quiet but even though he had fallen out with Tom at the time over war of the worlds, he spoke out for him saying that Tom acts like that even in private and when Katie is not around, he is very restless and that he goes on and on about her.

    May be they have made up now, who knows he may appear on her show in November. That would be interesting to watch. I bet networks will be fighting for interviews with him.

  218. Libraesque says

    I’ve got an even BETTER one for you
    Let me tell you some facts:
    On TomKatCrazy (which means ON HERE as well) there is A POSTER
    her name is Anne, she also admits to posting under Anna and Ana (?????)
    there is a poster (aka all of the above) who posts as Helen
    they both agree with eachother on everything
    they both….live in London (!!!!!)
    they both post till 3 a.m. in the morning regularly despite claiming to both have boyfriends/husbands and MULTIPLE children (sick!!)
    when they felt overwhelmed with “us” over there (being that there is only ONE TK fan there)
    and all of a sudden Ginger shows up and agrees with Anne/Helen
    but then Anne/Helen made the mistake of posting as Ginger, but then addressing Ginger in her post…….OOOPSIE, BUSTED!!
    THEN miracluously someone “speaking” Portuguese (no english at all) starts posting….on an English “speaking” board…………….
    AND GUESS WHAT???? Anne and Helen FROM LONDON both “speak” Portuguese!!!!!!!!!

    Now that we have left TKC in the dust and the comments have dwindled down, there are various posters speaking in different languages over there
    (Helen/Anne has confessed to speaking multiple languages)

    If that doesn’t DEFINE pathetic, I don’t really know what does

  219. oriana says

    I for one think Will Smith is an excellent actor and very funny person, I love his personality and he is very good lucking to boot!

    I also like Mel as an actor, but I do think his ranting was really he feels, not just the booze talking.

    I will be glad when Tom’s next movie comes out, I think it will prob be a big hit but I didn’t like Collat all that much and thought Jamie Foxx did an excellent job, was disappointed in War of the Worlds also, to me the hype was bigger than the movie. Tom did a good job in it though.

    I wonder what Katie eats whenever she goes to all those Steak restaurants, every time you blink Tom is at yet another one, guess he isn’t a vegetarian!

    I have yet to see what was so wrong about Tom jumping on Oprah’s couch, he was in love and acting like a school boy, I don’t see anything so terrible about that. Now, is he not friends with Oprah any more? Did she get upset, surely not, the ratings went thru the roof for her, or was supposed to have gotten upset? She didn’t hold a gun to his head to make him do it, so surely they are still friends?

  220. Jackie says

    How old is that newsweek article? How credible that Brad Pitt is number 4 without a box office hit in the last 3 years and Tom Cruise is number five with the record breaking war of the world and MI3. Does that writer know that Brad Pitt’s babel debut at no. 22 at the box office and the highest it ever made it to was no 12?

    Who the heck makes such a list, I remember coming across it and thinking, poor deluded soul, I wonder what he has against our Tom, could it be the disgruntled Roger Friedman posing as a writer? He should stick to fox where no one reads his foolish dreams adn wishes.

    Well, Forbes magazine, has spoken, I will remind you in case you have forgotten. As of 1st May 2007, Tom Cruise tops the list of most powerful celebrities. This is forbes, the rest of the lists pale next to forbes.

    Lib who was newsweeks wealthiest 100 this year?

    Quote from forbes:

    ‘But generating headlines isn’t enough to solidify your standing in Hollywood. A fat paycheck won’t do it, either. Only a combination of earnings and sizzle will land a celebrity a coveted spot on our Celebrity 100 list of the most powerful names in the business’

    Is the newsweek list covetted? I wonder!

  221. Jackie says

    Megan nice observation, different time zones, when the so called Amy said she did not live in the US but coincidence, her time zone is the same as Mia’s. Wait and see, tomorrow they will all appear at the same time and post one post after the other. I am glad some people are no longer in the dark! Time zones??? There is no fool like an old fool.

  222. Jackie says

    Interesting Lib, may be the American edition had Angelina Jolie, mine has Bono and Tom Cruise and weren’t you talking about this latest issue before you start jumping the loop?

    Allow me to quote you:
    ‘Angelina Jolie made the cover, NOT TOM CRUISE because they knew it WOULDN”T SELL’

    Not ‘It wouldn’t have sold, but ‘It wouldn’t sell’. You think you are clever? Don’t you? Stop shifting goal posts. Tom Cruise is the; I quote, ‘most powerful star n Hollywood’ and if it was Angelina, am sure they know how to print her name, they would have printed it. She is not even among the top 30 despite her concerted efforts. What a pity. Tom Cruise made only tow movies in two years and got a girl to marry still tops the most powerful celeb list. Angelina appears in more than 5 movies during the same period, adopts loads of kids, steals a husband, hops from counrty to counrty posing with poor people and appears in all the rag mags, and still is 30 paces behind super Cruise.

    Why am I even comparing them? It is like comparing royalty to a notorious but very kind prostitute. So I will not compare them, they are in very different classes and am sure Tom Cruise would never even eat at the same table with your beloved Angelina, too low for his tastes. One is the most powerful star on earth, the other is the most renown tart on the planet. No, comparison is innapropriate!

  223. Libraesque says

    DON’T CRY Y’ALL

    this is from NEWSWEEK is THAT reputable enough????

    For almost as long as there have been power lists, Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise—”The Toms”—have jockeyed for first position, occasionally letting Mel Gibson sneak up on the rail, just to keep things interesting. But just like that, the race has changed. Gibson hasn’t starred in a major film in five years. Cruise lost his cool on Oprah’s couch, and it’s unclear if he can get it back. And Hanks, while undeniably bankable, is, at 50, no longer viable for most leading-man scripts. In the past year, all three men have been eclipsed. With a worldwide career box office of $4.4 billion, Will Smith is now the most powerful actor in Hollywood, followed by Johnny Depp and Ben Stiller. Talk about punctuated (or maybe that should be “punctured”) equilibrium. “The industry is going through a sea change, not just with actors, but in every way,” says one industry insider who, like others interviewed for this story, asked for anonymity to prevent offending other stars. “Will Smith is the only thing in this business—the only thing—that represents a guaranteed opening weekend.” He may be even bigger than that. “Let’s put it this way,” says one studio head, “there’s Will Smith, and then there are the mortals.”

    Lets see if I can quote someone here with one little change

    FANS EAT THAT!!!

  224. Libraesque says

    Megan, they live in a different time zone than the US, that’s why, but keep grasping for those straws. If you notice A LOT of other international posters disappear at those times too

  225. Libraesque says

    Angelina Jolie was the cover girl for the much anticipated issue of Forbes Magazine, in which appeared the infamous Celebrity 100 list [June 2006]

    so jackie WHAT are you talking about

  226. Jackie says

    Libraesque, Forbes magazine is not a tabloid. Ha ha ha. That is so funny. It is not that kind of magazine that sells copies because of the ‘star’ on top of the latest issue. Its readers are sensible subscribers who have better interests.

    Just for the record, though the new list was released today, that page is for last year and apart from the list itself, it is yet to be updated, it featured a story on Angelina ‘Bad girl interrupted: Angelina, saving the world, and her career’. It was actually not abad feature and you can copy it and take it to justjared.com. At least back then, they still thought she had some sense. Am afraid things have gone down hill for them. They are not my favourite people so I will leave it at that.

    As a matter of fact, I have a copy of last year’s issue and it has Tom Cruise and Bono on top, unless of course you got a different copy, check it again, it might be ‘inquirer’ mistaken for forbes. LOL.

  227. Megan says

    I find it strange that when Miapocca is away, so is Amy and shadow girl and when she around their posts follow each other. Their ideas too are quite similar. Sincerely, this does not bother me at all. If she chooses to use multiple posts, then she is fooling no one but herself. May be she wants every one to think that there are many people who hate Tom Cruise, but look, another year and he is still the most powerful star in hollywood.

    I think we should stop making a big issue of this whole thing. I don’t think it matters one bit. Tom’s fans are still more than his haters. Come next year, he will even be more powerful as UA will have taken off in full swing. I can bet he will top the list again .

    Haters like Libraesque and Miapocca are wasting their time and taking us from real issues here. Let her masquerade as whomever she want, it is her time she is wasting.

  228. Libraesque says

    AND PUT THIS IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT

    Angelina Jolie made the cover, NOT TOM CRUISE because they knew it WOULDN”T SELL

    HA
    HA
    HA

  229. Libraesque says

    WHY do I have to keep repeating myself. The earnings were because of the deal he inked with Paramount for MI3, and he GOT FIRED
    The “sizzle” is because he went on National television and bashed Brooke S. and jumped on a couch

    GROW UP

  230. oriana says

    Jackie, why don’t you email Lib if she posted twice? That will clear it up between you two.

    Were you the one that got hold of her work email and posted it? Why is she sooo convinced it was you? I am not accusing, I am just asking.

    I am also like Megan, I don’t want a bunch of nutcases emailing me 500 times a day and wasting my time, it has nothing to do personally with you, I have made my thoughts known about many subjects so have already discussed them with you.

    Lib does have my address and I trust her with the same courtesy I have shown to her and I don’t see her showing it from here to Russia.

    Lib, Don’t get Pissed at me!!!! I don’t want David Miscaviage writing me, he will definately get his feelings hurt!!!! And he for sure won’t need his e-meter reading to tell him something is wrong!

  231. Jackie says

    Here is another quote fromthe forbes list:

    ‘Breakups, babies and betrayals monopolized the headlines nearly eclipsing the careers of actors such as Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie. But generating headlines isn’t enough to solidify your standing in Hollywood. A fat paycheck won’t do it, either. Only a combination of earnings and sizzle will land a celebrity a coveted spot on our Celebrity 100 list of the most powerful names in the business’

    ————————————————————————————-

    Emphasis:

    Only a combination of earnings and sizzle will land a celebrity a coveted spot on our Celebrity 100 list of the most powerful names in the business’

  232. Jackie says

    Libraesque, you are an attention seeker, if you had not noticed, I left you out on purpose. Your expert should have told you that websites are run by people and computers are made by people. To you, this is a game of win and lose, to me it is not. Frankly, I don’t care about your opinion and Mia may take you for a ride, frankly, I don’t care. The people who matter have recieved these e-mails. At least now they know what kind of personthey are dealing with.

  233. Kelly says

    Thats because Lib, you want to suggest that his antics are the reason he is up there, well look at the Top 19, who else has got a lot of media coverage? Remember the list is called, Top 100 most powerful celebrities and Tom Cruise tops it. Emphasis on the word POWERFUL. The reason the magazines and google are used is because he sells these magazines otherwise he would not be on the cover. I am sure his wedding sold more issues for people magazine than all the split stories have sold for USweekly, star and life and style. Am sure too that the latter rags do not make the top 26 magazines since they do not even have world wide circulation numbers to talk of. The magazines that matter have nice stories about Tom and Katie.

  234. Libraesque says

    jackie, I feel SO left out of your completely ludicrous “I have everyones e-mail/alias’ nonsense
    I’m the only one you didn’t mention AND YET I’m the ONLY one who TWICE has posted on THIS BOARD two different e-mail addresses, inviting people to e-mail so prove I’m ONLY ME

    I find your exclusion of me VERY very telling

    I also find it interesting that I consulted with an IT expert and he said unless you run the site it’s IMPOSSIBLE to find out peoples IP’s

    you’ve hung yourself ONCE AGAIN

  235. oriana says

    Jackie, thank you for the consideration.

    Megan, I have never understood what he saw in Melanie, she is sexy, or was back when he first met her, that squeaky voice alone turns me off, and now her face looks comical with all the crap she has shot into her face and lips. I saw a picture of her a few months ago lighting a cigarette for her teenage daughter, she makes me sick! I see her as a very low class person and always have, her mother seems to hold herself on a classier level by far and is a beautiful woman to me still. I think Antonio could have done much better than Melanie by far.

    Leonardo is really doing well for himself and I enjoy his movies, he is definately a fine actor.

    Johnny Depp always looks like he needs a bath and to wash his hair to me, he really does like Keith Richards sometimes! He is cute but his hygiene needs improvement!

  236. Libraesque says

    yea, and once again I will post what I did above which forbes is saying HOW THEY DETERMINE THE LIST

    To generate the list, we used a combination of factors including income, Web references as calculated by Google (nasdaq: GOOG – news – people ), press clips as compiled by Lexis/Nexis, TV/radio mentions from Factiva and the number of times a celebrity’s face has appeared on the cover of 26 major consumer magazines.

    it’s interesting that even though it’s right there in black and white of HOW they determine the list, the “fans” just cannot accept the facts

  237. Jackie says

    I will quote forbes magazine

    But despite being pilloried and parodied after pairing up with an ingenue 16 years his junior (nevermind the couch-jumping antics), Tom Cruise still reins supreme at the box office–and on our list. Love him or hate him, Cruise, who earned $67 million last year alone, is Hollywood’s most bankable star.

    I love the part of:

    ‘love him or hate him!’

  238. Jackie says

    Megan, I wish I could, it would give me much joy but it is very risky and I could be banned from the site. I was banned from a blog site when I told every one that it held a security risk because my computer had picked it up. I have told people who matter because I do not want them to labour under any misconceptions. I will also be sending infromation to those new vistors on the site who have any doubt.

    Megan, you can use your e-mail when posting your next comment and I will see if I can pick it up, Alternatively, post any link in your post then I will send you the info.

  239. Megan says

    I love Banderas too, but I think he deserves better that Melanie Griffith. I think Leonardo Dicarprio is a very good actor.

    Jackie,I would give you my e-mail but I fear it could be abused by hackers. Is it possible to post the e-mails you have sent on the site? The one you have sent to Jen and the others?

  240. Jackie says

    I hope you have recieved you e-mails, it is up to you to make of them what you wish. Miapocca, I have sent you an e-mail each detailing your identities, it is different from the one I have sent Malayka Jen, and Tia whose addresses I have. Kelly I will be sending you one shortly on that address. Xenufan, you e-mail bounced and I still can’t crack your address LOL, you are good aren’t you? Which privacy software do you use? Do you have windows vista of Xp?

    Oriana, I respected your desire to keep out of this. But if you ever feel any doubt about these pretenders, just give me your address.

  241. oriana says

    I like Tom myself, Tom the movie star, and indeed he is a major Star, I like some qualities of Tom the father and provider for his family, I do think Nicole has been screwed with the way it has turned out not getting her kids very much, that is not right to me. As for Tom the Scientologist, wouldn’t touch him there with a 20 foot pole as it is hokey pokey to me.

    I was mainly referring to the multiply sentences of I Love Tom Cruise so don’t think I was being snippey.

    I love Antonio Banderas too!!!

  242. Megan says

    Oh, Oriana, I love Tom Cruise, I always have. O.K am 19 this year and have not lived for long, am so happy for him, this year has been really good for him. I know haters think other wise but Iam sur Rollong stone are not No 2 because they made an embarrassment of themselves.If it was based on magazines, then Brad and Angelina would be on top. They consider sensible magazines like Time and vanity fair not nosense rags.

    Of course haters will have reasons but this is a huge blow to their hate campaign.

  243. Libraesque says

    RE: THE FORBES LIST

    To generate the list, we used a combination of factors including income, Web references as calculated by Google (nasdaq: GOOG – news – people ), press clips as compiled by Lexis/Nexis, TV/radio mentions from Factiva and the number of times a celebrity’s face has appeared on the cover of 26 major consumer magazines.

    so basically he won because he inked an unheard of deal with Paramount based on his PAST popularity (then got shit-canned for screwing that up royally)
    and the fact that he behaved like SUCH a freak that he ended up negatively on a bunch of mag covers

    Impressive!!! And also an EMBARRASSMENT that you fans think it’s a “good” thing

    NEXT

  244. oriana says

    Megan, we get it hon, you like Tom Cruise!

    Xenafan, interesting life for you! I have been to many funerals but could not work in a funeral home.

    I know once, I was about 13, my mom took me to a funeral with her, I asked my best friend to go along with me, hot in the summer, everyone was waving fans around, now back in the day, funerals weren’t polite and dignifed like they are now, someone always had to yell, wave their arms around and always, always, faint! The mother or the wife, would have an extra comfy chair on the front row just for her, this woman, in the seat of honor, her son had died, I was sitting there looking around, wishing the preacher would hurry up and shut his mouth, after about five songs, this woman leaped to her feet like Superman, screamed like Geronimo, almost took the pastor’s wife down with her, OHHHH, What will I do without my Harry!!!!

    It startled me so bad, I got tickled, my friend and I got to laughing and could not stop! We tried to hide behind our songbooks but couldn’t, to this day I still remember the look my mother gave me, my friend and I got up and bolted out of the church, every window wide open, flies everywhere, and got the beating of my life when we got home. So oh yes, have been to many funerals and some not always sad occasions!

  245. Kelly says

    Amy/Mia/ Shadow gal, I have sent my e-mail but it has refused to post to you guys.

    Most powerful start means, most popular, wealthiest, top earner, most influencial, most recognisable, please read the Forbes site again.

    I will try to post my e-mail again

  246. Libraesque says

    kelly, why are you asking me who you post as?
    that’s jackies dept………OH NO wait, it’s obviously not since she can’t back her shit up
    personally I think you’re “jackie” aka “!!!!” but I really don’t give a cows teet WHO you are or how many names you have or where you go!!!!

  247. oriana says

    Mia, I read that link, interesting! Also read about David Hassel, I like him but he prob is a lush, that attorney, Debra Opri, she irks me, goes on and on, in your face, would like to see her and Hillary go head to toe!

    I would love to go to New Orleans, wish I had gone the year before Katrina, had a chance but was in Aug and too hot and humid down there then for me, don’t think it will ever be the same again.Those people needed help, drastic help, and no one will ever convince me if it had been The Hamptons,that Bush would have gotten help there much faster!

    I like Will Smith, love Tom Hanks too!

  248. Xenafan96 says

    My whole motto is I hope I never see anyone I know come in other than to say hi!
    I never been to New Orleans but always wanted to. It seems to be a fascinating place just overall.

  249. says

    You defintely have to grow up with it..but then I lived inplaces where it ppl were pretty superstitious..like in New Orleans …so I am really not going to be making it a regular part of my life..I have only been to one funeral in my life and hopefully wont have to go to another…the last one I copped out and sent a huge flower arrangement….

    Yeah Brad worked for a chicken fast food place and you ised to dress up as a chicken it on on E news

  250. Lauren says

    Go Tom, Go TOM, am not surprised that Tom Cruise is the biggest star in the second year running. He is an inrecidle person and a wonderful kind human being.

  251. Xenafan96 says

    Oriana-Brad Pitt dressed as a chicken?

    I simply must include more chicken in my diet 🙂

    Mia-It’s actually pretty second nature to me, I grew up with it so I don’t find having dead people in the basement very odd. I suppose it would be to someone that didn’t get exposed to it early on, and yes, we do have to have someone die to stay busy. One of my daughter’s favorite pictures of me shows me about 10-11 months old(crawling and climber I was) sitting in a casket waving. Yes the casket was empty, never used, and I suspect that my brother was the one who placed me there and took the picture!
    Our dad was just very matter of fact about anything, and when he knew we were old enough, time to head on over to the family home and see what goes on.

  252. says

    May I ask why people post the same sentence numerous times….is it a tomkat communication mode or just one person doing this…

    Congratulations to midget…hopefully it will give Katie more down time to shop for shoes\
    hm or rather more platforms for midget…hmm how about height improvement surgery …and get one for miscaviage as well

    I wonder who had to be scared silly to put midget on the list or which scientologist works for the magazine ahahhaha

  253. amy says

    i think tom would rather be POPULAR than merely RICH..such is the nature of his business

    and we ALL know, even you die hard fans must be honest enough to admit..his popularity has PLUMMETED dramatically since his ‘courting’ of his virgin bride….FACT

  254. amy says

    kelly, once AGAIN

    give me YOUR email address and i will HAPPILY reply, which will give you MY IP address….

    OR simply wait till jackie resurfaces and ask HER directly to give you the ‘proof’, although be sure that she does it in the open, if she emails it to you, i would sincerely hope that you would question its validity…

    although i have already said this to you and you have chosen to ignore my comments, why is that?

  255. says

    Okay..I really think your insistence to accuse people of presumed deciet is just rude and annoying…I am nto interested in knowing you or having a discussion with you ..so please leave my name out of your dialogues..I believe you are on here just to start up a fight for no reason than to make yourelf famous since your unintelligent posts cant give you any attention.

    So you are challenged ..you can google ip and you will get a host of resources..and rather talk to your psycho twin JACKIE and she will give you the nonsense she claims to have obtained…

    Now could peopple please ignore this twat so we can keep the peace we have had in the last few hours

  256. Megan says

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    Haters eat that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  257. Kelly says

    Yeah Xenafan, it had 12 parts and they were very very interesting. I hate R-Kelly but I love these kind of songs withthe Isley brothers, I guess you can down load it from the internet.I thought it really suited Miapocca/Amy/ Shadow girl’s situation. For sometime I have hard a suspicion about Miapocca that just will not go away. I don’t know how to get IPs but if you post one, I can track it from one of the lonks on the site. I am a technophob so technology is not my cup of it. I am sure all of you have your suspicions too. The rest I like this site is because of the calibre of its vistors, I am afraid I cannot separate those four people so unless she shows anything contrary, I will be treating them as the same person.

    I can see Cruise Boy bagged another year. Ha! Mia/amy/shadow girl, didn’t you say he is a ‘has been?’ Interesting.

    Libraesque, who do I post as and on which site?

  258. oriana says

    I have an El Polo Loco right down the street. The chicken is skinless and broiled, it is okay, I am not one for black beans, like the old fashioned pinto beans but it is healthy to eat, they have tamales too, love them! Didn’t Brad Pitt work at El Pollo Loco when he first moved to Hollywood standing outside in a Chicken Suit? May be wrong but it was definately a chicken restaurant (fast food) he worked at. So funny to me!

  259. oriana says

    Mia, the burgers are very cheap, very messy too, but good, only have burgers, fries, shakes and sodas, no hot dogs, onion rings, etc. I like them once in a while, I love White Castles, small burgers, don’t have them here in Ca., wish they did! I like McDonald’s fries better than In & Out, lots of stars love that place, read where several went before the Oscars and ate some, Beyonce did too.

    To me though, and they don’t have the chain in No. Ca. where I live, is FATBURGER, they have one in Vegas. Huge but more exp. than In & Out.

  260. says

    I watched a comedy sketch about a mortician..it was pretty funny….he was always praying for more business…yet more business meant that someone had to die…it was pretty ironic but very funny…so he named his business

    “DieQuick”

    ahahahha

    Must be scary looking at all those dead bodies…makes me think of the the Sci Fi Channel or an FX show

    In and out is a california thing….when I was in california, the funnies thing I sa was EL Pollo Loco.,..I thought it was hilarious…ahhaha

  261. Xenafan96 says

    Hiya all!!
    Looks like the convo picked up since last night. We had not one, not two, but three intakes since 2am, so I woefully apologize for complaining I had a lack of work yesterday! it’s always that way for some reason. Anywhoo-nice to see everyone posting 🙂
    Oriana-In and Outs, we don’t have those out here in the Midwest. What tasty items do they offer? I am burnt out on take out these days-I need some inspiration!
    BTW-Kelly-Isn’t that the one song that he made a 10-12 part video of? My two oldest boys wanted it for Christmas and I couldn’t find it anywhere!

  262. says

    6 items huh..that facilitates ordering..easy to memorize….nice…airy fries sound good to me though, that means you get less carbs and more air….FART as opposed to FAT…jahahhaha

  263. Libraesque says

    mia, in-n-out is a “fresh” fast food place….they don’t freeze ANYTHING, and their menu has about 6 items on it
    the fries are fresh cut potatoes (I don’t care for them, too “airy”)
    the burgers are TOO yummy
    did I miss the thread about burgers????

  264. oriana says

    I have to wonder, and I am looking at the list with Oprah’s name, as much as she loves John Travolta and Tom Cruise, I can’t help but wonder if they have both tried to get her to join Scientology. Somehow I can’t see that interesting her.

  265. says

    you the only time I heard about in and out burgers was in relations to Paris Hilton…ahahhaha

    Seems its very popular joint in california….Is that similar to McDonalds or more epensive??

    I would love some burgers…right now..but I dont get out of my chair till at least 10pm today hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  266. Libraesque says

    FYI, just read this
    WILL SMITH is actually the numero uno male star, being dubbed Hollywoods 4 Billion Dollar Man.
    Behind him:
    Johnny Depp
    Ben Stiller
    Brad Pitt
    Tom Cruise

    Tom Hanks made the #6 spot but is an “emeritus” because he’s 50 and no longer viable for leading-man scripts

  267. oriana says

    Amy, I am not the type of person that would EVER do anything like that rest assured! What has been said between Lib and me is just that, between us. And believe me, it would be boring to anyone, I doubt if people want to know how I spent my weekend.

    Yes, Lib did post it on here, and that is where I got it as she requested me to do. I am not here to hurt her or anyone, much less betray a confidence. I think someone that would post someone’s personal info is despicable and not my cup of tea!

    I don’t know anything about TomKat or TKC or any past history posted about any of them. And don’t care too, but if someone deliberately posted Lib’s work email, SHAME, SHAME, SHAME! I thought these sites were protected and against the law to do something like that anyway.

    My son set my email address up for me, I don’t know if it is accessible for anyone to find or not, but if anyone wants to cry themselves to sleep over being bored to death, go ahead!

    I have to say, until someone attacks me or hurts me personally, I can’t judge, I can say when I see it happening to others, it is wrong and senseless, in some cases just ignorant and mean spirited.

    I myself would not post under several names for would find it too tiring and too hyprocritical.

    So everyone, I know we all disagree, some do agree, but to deliberatly harm any of us in any way, that is terrible, I don’t like some of the comments made about Americans and I have spoken out about that, some of them I have to confess, shameful as they may be, I have to agree with, but there are ways for us to express our dislike and anger without all the vulgar language, a few “bitches” thrown in here and there is to be expected when tempers flare, but some of the hardcore stuff turns me off, I have seen enough of that on MTV, can’t even watch the award shows any more for all of the bleeping!

    Now I am going to Marshalls, love that store, go to In & Out Burger and hope we all have a peaceful day.

  268. says

    I think she has humiliated herself enough since yesterday..
    Orianna, nope havent slept much…lots to do at this time of year….

    Thats a very POSH house…very nice indeed…Victoria beckham is always up to something…

  269. amy says

    oriana…

    i would truly hope you haven’t forwarded any of the PERSONAL emails lib had sent to you as jackie requested you to…

    that would be an extremely large invasion of personal privacy and also a betrayal of trust from you as an ‘internet penpal’ to lib…

    as far as i can remember, lib openly posted that email adress so if jackie wants it she can roll her sleeves up and scroll through her own shitty aggressive abusive foul languaged rants to find it herself…

  270. oriana says

    Oh I hate R. Kelly, that pervert! He even lied on his own brother!

    Mia #571, you must have gotten some rest and a good nite’s sleep, I really enjoyed reading this! Those pharm companies won’t be getting any of your money for high blood pressure any time soon! Thank God!

    I also read the list of the most powerful people, Tom is powerful in Hollywood, no doubt about it, he has been around for 25 years and has learned plenty from his time and involvement there. Now he could probably write a book!! He has had peope sign papers regarding confidential disclosures regarding him, I am sure he has had to sign many more for himself.

  271. Libraesque says

    kelly, I know from personal experience, because we all post on another site with a common interest, that the people you mentioned are NOT the same.

    I also e-mail privately with amy.

    It is SO comlpetely un-necessary to PROVE anything here. This is a gossip site for godsake.

    If you are SO determined to believe these are the same people, so be it
    NOW GET OVER IT
    IT DOESN”T MATTER HERE

  272. amy says

    OK I HAVE A CONFESSION

    I AM ALSO FATHER CHRISTMAS

    THE EASTER BUNNY

    THE TOOTHFAIRY

    AND FREDDY KRUGER…

    AND I’M COMING TO GET YA!!!

  273. says

    amy dont bother giving anyone here your email…you dont owe them an explanation and frankly its not worth it to give someone like that your email address….if its another jackie she may comprise your information…you dont need to communicate with this person ….

  274. says

    I think this conversation is just insulting

    I am under no obligation to proove something that is staring at you plain as day

    Also try to remember that I have no interest in having a discussion with you and never have, so feel free to conitnue with those you think you can trust and simply ignore me in your dealings on this site

    You are just another tag on …JEN I believe is happily supplying information on her hero..so as should be..maybe you should have followed her example this morning

    In respect to IP addresses I blieve JACKIE claims she has all the neccecessary information so have her pass it to you..I could care less since I am quite happy in my identity and have been living too long in it to want to change it /..I am still wondering why people change IDs,,,doesnt make much sense to my straight arrow approach

    Have some discussion on health exposures in the young population…so got to do finishing touches…

    None of these ppl are worth the headache….who knows maybe on of us is loony enough to have been posting messages back and forth to each other on the other site…thats really funny…ahahha

  275. amy says

    kelly, why don’t you use the links jackie provided above and find the IP’s yourself…
    i will freely admit i am based in the UK..i am on a different time zone that those in the US and that is why my posts always end earlier…
    why don’t you post your email address and i will send you an email reply?

  276. Kelly says

    I disagree Libraesque, Jackie may be under handed in her tactics but she raised an issue which was bugging me and I would rather it is settled before we continue communicating with three or four people who are the same person. Seriously, I have no proof but I believe that Miapocca is a multi poster. Saying that she is not cahnges nothing. Let her prove she is not. But I don’t nderstand what is so difficult, post the IPs.

  277. amy says

    kelly,
    jackie said she has proof…and i beg her to post it….

    but she obviously DOESN’T….

    now…yes ok, i will post my IP address….after you give me yours…..seeing as how it is such a personal thing…its only fair the playing field is levelled out…i have nothing to hide but i will not give anything up for nothing….

  278. Libraesque says

    I can add to that. Jackie, aka “!!!!” also said she wished I would get in a car accident and also contract some debilitating stomach ailment. And I was also the victim of her posting my e-mail address all over the internet

    Her reasons given for all this psychotic behavior????
    I “annoyed” her
    In other words, she couldn’t handle or discuss our different views about TomKat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THAT is some whacked shit

  279. amy says

    KELLY
    time after time after time, i have asked, begged and demanded this so called ‘proof’ that i am mia/shadow and she will not deliver..

    she weakly says she has passed it onto to other people…

    IF she has proof…do you not think for ONE SECOND she would be on here shouting from the rooftops with it??? any of us would…come on…

    yet AGAIN…jackie…whatever ‘proof’ you have..please share it with ALL of us…what is the problem???

    BUSTED – well, that is jackie…who was BUSTED using two different names on the SAME thread …she even admits it ….

    she has bullied, intimidated, threatened, abused, insulted and bored the shit out of, many people…

    kelly, can i ask you..if i was to tell you i really wished you committed suicide…what would you think?

    what about if i got your email address, posted it on porn sites THEN came back and laughed about it and boasted…what would you think???

    these are ALL things jackie has DONE and ADMITTED doing…i am not accusing her of anything…

    i am interested in your ‘reply’…

  280. Libraesque says

    Kelly, Jackie has BUSTED HERSELF

    SHe exposed herself over and over again in the comments from yesterday that she DOES NOT have the ability to get IP addresses, or to track them.
    NO ONE needs to be posting personal information on this site to prove some idiotic point that jackie has already proved herself, that she’s a fraud

  281. Kelly says

    Hey guys, am just contributing and you are trying to bully me. It is easy, lets expose Jackie as a liar you say she is. If she is a coward and she cannot post your IPs even after your express permission, then you post them and we do the check up. I think it is rather simple. Please am not trying to be difficult or any thing but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you will not do that, it only strengthens by suspictions. What do say, lets bust Jackie.

  282. says

    once again…you are not part of the discussion..so you will do well to stay out of it…the discussion is over…get over it
    Respect others here and move on

  283. Libraesque says

    oh my fuckity fuck
    WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!

    LISTEN, the bottom line is this……..if you post on this thread with a bunch of different screen names, YOU’RE A LOSER
    If you post on other sites with different screen names YOU’RE A LOSER
    If you post all over the internet proudly with one screen name YOU’RE NOT A LOSER

    you know what category you fall into
    no one else needs to know that you’re a loser, it’s bad enough that you are

    NOW DROP IT!!!!!

    It really fucking SUCKS that someone like Jackie had to take this site and turn it to SHIT with this nonsense

  284. Kelly says

    Amy, I should really let this go. But since Jackie has permission to post your address, can you post it for us yourself? Miapocca can post hers too so we compare. Or better still, if you post them, we can ask someone who can to check whether indeed you are the same person.

    Here is my idea, it is not only Jckie who is convinced you are the same posters. Tell us your location and then give us you IPs, that way we can verify whether they correspond with your locations and that your are different and put the whole matter to rest. What do you think?

  285. amy says

    WHAT??? or sorry, JACKIE….

    i see it is easier for you to make cheap digs at sally than it is to actually write something intelligent or worthwhile to this thread….typical bully behaviour…

    sally, ignore the loser…you know WE know who you are and its sickening that you have lost your freedom of speech on a stupid web site about a gay fucking dwarf and his wonky mouthed lazy eyed beard and their sausage snouted ivf baby….

  286. Kelly says

    Miapocca, I couldn’t help but read your last post. I usually skip your posts but this one did not have your usual childish hysterics so I gave it a chance. You remind me of R.Kelly’s song busted! Here are the lyrics, enjoy!

    Isley Bros f/JS &R. Kelly

    (talking)
    um, uh
    yea, bring yo ass over here
    I got something for you

    #1 verse
    Mr.Biggs:It’s 2 a damn o’clock in the morning where you been
    JS:Baby, didn’t you get my 2 way I was with my girlfriend.
    M.B:You a lie, I called Keisha and Tonya
    and they were both at home
    JS:I didn’t say them though
    M.B:But they the only friends I know, girl you better
    JS:Wait, before you get all upset here’s the truth
    M.B:Talk to me
    JS:I was with my girl when she got some bad news
    M.B:And
    JS:Her man cheated, had her upset and confused
    M.B:Baby,what that got to do, with you coming in at two
    JS:I’m telling you, she was so upset she asked me to stay with her
    M.B:Well, why yo ass didn’t just pick up the phone and call me
    JS:I was going to do that but it slipped my mind I’m sorry but I’m telling you the truth
    M.B:Yea well I got something for you, tell me what’s her name
    JS:Sharon
    M.B:Where does she live?
    JS:Uh
    M.B:Her man’s name
    JS:Billy
    M.B:She got kids
    JS:I think 1 or 2
    M.B:She got kids
    JS:Baby, yes no
    M.B:There’s one thing I gotta know how the hell is she your friend if you don’t know if she got kids

    Chorus:
    M.B:Go upstair
    R.Kelly:Busted
    M.B:Pack yo bags
    R.Kelly:Cause you busted
    M.B:Why you at it
    R.Kelly:Busted
    M.B:Call a cab
    R.Kelly:Cuz you busted
    M.B:It’s obvious
    R.Kelly:Busted
    M.B:You playing around
    R.Kelly:Cuz you busted
    M.B:Go upstairs and get your shit and get the fuck up out of here now

    #2 verse
    JS:Frank, please hear me out
    M.B:Ain’t nothin to talk about
    JS: I can explain everything
    M.B:Right now I want you out this house
    JS:Baby, please one more chance, let me tell you where I’ve been
    M.B:Well, quit wastin my time and say what’s on your mind
    JS:Mind, me and some girlfriends we went dancing
    M.B:Who?
    JS:Me,Shanequa, Shaquan and Robin
    M.B:Well, if yall was goin shoppin why didn’t you jus check in
    JS:I was but then I thought my cellular was off
    M.B:Now earlier,(hum)you said dancing(yeah),but when I just asked you,(huh) you said shopping(umm)tell me which one(huh) you were doing
    JS:Oh, baby I must be confused
    M.B:yeah right you’re real confused.
    Tell me where you been
    JS:Dancing
    M.B:Dancing where?
    JS:uh
    M.B:The name of the club
    JS:Kisses
    M.B:What time is it
    JS:I think 1 or 2
    M.B:What time it end
    JS:three, four
    M.B:Here one thing I gotta know at first you say dancing but now you say shopping, girl

    (Chorus)

    #3 verse
    Baby, I’m a victim of circumstances.Why you don’t believe me I don’t understand it
    M.B:Tryin to slick a can of oil, who you think you foolin, Now get up out my face,(Baby) before I catch another case

    Chorus:
    M.B:Go upstairs
    R.K:Busted
    M.B:Pack yo bags
    JS:I don’t wanna
    R.K:Cuz you busted
    M.B:Why you at it
    R.K:Busted
    M.B:Call a cab
    JS:A cab for what
    R.K:Cuz you busted
    M.B:It’s obvious
    R.K:Busted
    M.B:You playin around
    JS:No I’m not
    R.K:Cuz you busted
    M.B:Go upstairs and get yo shit,
    JS:No
    M.B:and get the fuck up out of here now

    #4 verse
    JS:No I’m innocent, innocent, innocent, I’m innocent
    M.B:No you’re guilty, you’re guilty, you’re guilty, you’re guilty
    JS:Ohh now wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute(woo), wait a minute
    M.B:Go upstairs and get your shit and get the fuck up out of here
    JS:Tell me, where am I supposed to go from here
    M.B:Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    I can’t believe am actually enjoying this. But I will also let the matter drop.It is fun but foolish and childish. I just could not help posting these lyrics. Just stop using multiple nick names.

  287. amy says

    hahaha….JACKIE JACKIE JACKIE!!!
    please…you really expect us to buy that load of crap…’you have given the relevent people the proof’….
    i have NO OBJECTIONS to you publically displaying any so called proof you have here on this thread…
    it worries me that you feel the need to do so in a secretive manner…that is because whatever you are giving to others is simply ‘doctored’ information…

    IF YOU HAVE ‘PROOF’ –

    YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO PLACE IT ON THIS THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE…..

    IF YOU DO NOT(which we KNOW you don’t)…IT SIMPLY PROVES YOU DO NOT HAVE IT…

    SIMPLE
    AS
    THAT!!

    how will you explain to your little followers the fact that MY IP address is from another continent on the other side of the PLANET??? – this should be interesting…

  288. says

    Yesterday Orianna asked that we put an end to souring the site..out of respect for her I did

    However this morning it seems that Jackie is not happy to sit quiet and starts the nonsense again

    Let me tell you something..I enjoy writing my opinions and interacting with people..I cannot even comprehend why I would need to change my ID to confuse people that I know from different sites…

    I cannot stand deception and this my anger from yesterday. I do apologize to all the people in here if the comments offended you

    However I will ask you to refrian from making baseless accusations and consistently lowering others to your level..just because you find it easy to lie and deceive others does not mean that the rest of the world you interact with is the same
    \
    Jackie you are off base. You have lied several times..accused me of saying things I have not and have to lie more to cover up..instead of simply admitting your wrongs and getting on with it..I was flabbergasted that you will keep on lying…I dont even know you in person and even if with the protection of the web you cannto admit your wrongs, I doubt you will be a worthwile human being to engage in everyday life

    I will ask you to stop the nonsense and equally I will let the matter drop..if you do bring it all up again, I suggest that everyone clear this board and leave it to JACKIE and myself

    You are a disgrace to the friends you have made on here and decieved…..accept your wrongs and move on as a better person, however I dont quite see any betterment in you by you behaviour over the course of yesterday.

    Credibility can be gained by writing intelligent posts , not undermining the credibility of others

    I sincerely cannot stand a world of smoke and mirrors..I do not lie deliberately and I will appreciate if you will all refrain from comments that challenges my identity, my opinions and my thoughts.I am under no obligation to be what you wish me to be , I am ME and proud to be and under no circumstance will I compromise my morals to engage in any kind of deception even in cyber space

    Thank you

  289. Libraesque says

    JACKIE,
    “I have played this game too long to be that gullible. ” and “Im sorry it had to come to this”

    these are words from an extremely sick , and confused sociapath. If this “game” you’re talking about is what your world revolves around you need serious help.
    Nothing had to “come to this”

    You have taken a site where people move past the “isn’t Katie pretty!” and discuss other indepth issues, rumors and speculation. It can be a heated debate, and those who choose to participate do, those who don’t, don’t, but in the end NORMAL people walk away at the end of the day.
    YOU and you alone must take responsibility for polluting this site with your deranged behavior. You’re incabable of debating any point, so instead you stoop to the level you have
    And for WHAT??? FOR WHAT?
    All this nonsense of trying to “scare” people with IP addresses is sheer lunacy.
    Now you’re trying to involve “Jen” instead of Oriana??
    For WHAT?
    I happen to think it’s a little suspect that “Kelly and “Malayka” who haven’t been on this thread since yesterday all of a sudden show up minutes apart from eachother at 6:00 a.m., but SO WHAT.
    I also happen to think that it’s PATHETIC that you post as Jackie here, but admitted to posting at TKC as “!!!” and coincidentally the “!!!” there was the one that took my private e-mail address and posted it all over the internet. Oh and we can’t forget there is apparently a “different” “!!!” poster here
    Okay sure.
    In the end it’s all ridiculous if people use different user names because they ALWAYS slip up and get caught as evidenced on TKC.
    The fact that you are SO OUT OF CONTROL is disturbing

    You don’t belong here because you clearly DO NOT have the ability to distinguish between right and wrong.

    You should take your “game” playing abilities elsewhere. I think I can speak for everyone here, you’re not wanted on this site.

  290. Sally says

    Okay…can’t help it. But “What?” you have proved the positive sites are always harboring those who are truly rude. Just because I only commented once at the TK thread does not mean I am not reg. Peace to you…

  291. What? says

    Actually after checking the whole thread sally #565 is your only comment so after all you were only reading and not commenting so nothing lost nothing gained.

  292. Sally says

    all this talk about IP addresses and being able to “track” you as completely turned me off to the internet. I used to enjoy adding comments but as of today…I will no longer. All this used to be fun…now it’s just crazy. For the record: I HATE Tom Cruise simple as that. I do however enjoy amy, Shadow girl, Libra, & Mia. They are not the same person. Trust me. I really enjoy thier wit, knowledge and spitefulness to a mutual hate but the whole tracking thing has freaked me out . Wether it is true or nut, I am not techno’ savy so there for…I’ll just stick to reading. Thanks for the fun while it lasted, gals!

  293. Shadow Girl says

    this is just so fuckin’ priceless! Stop it, I’m gonna piss myself from laughing so hard!

    Yeah, Jackie! Go ahead and hack away, prove that we are one person. Only you can’t because you can’t stop playing with yourself to fuckin’ prove that little ‘fact’

    APart from the fact our posts are radically different, we all lead different lives here. I try to mediate because I have two brothers. Mia, amy, and LIB are my pals and trust me, nobody would think of insulting you the way that I do.

    As far as tracing email address shit, you do have to pay if you really want to trace. No downloadable shit is worth time and trouble.

    OMG, my comment started it all. Well, it’s time for me to stir up the shit fire a little bit more.

    JACKIE-Wah wah wah, nobody likes me and so I must go and try to trace their email address to figure out where they live! Maybe if I confront them in their own homes and force them to like me, my damaged ego will get bigger…!

    Even if you are not a $cien, you have the basic stalkerish qualities of one. It’s really easy to get you confused. Quite frankly, I can’t think of a way I’d be offended on here at all. >:)

    SO bring it on, little pussies! Shadow Girl can handle any mudslinging insults! I love a good verbal sparring contest(pals-remember Esra? I whooped her ass).

    Forbes only named Tom probably because Tom paid them to. Take that!

  294. Jackie says

    Hey and Miapocca/Amy, don’t worry, I have sent the details to relevant to the concerned people and let them judge for themselves whether they still believe your credibility.

    I would like to congragulate Tom Cruise once again.

  295. Jackie says

    Miapocca, just fo rthe record, am not !!!! posting now, I only use !!!! on TKC and unlike you, I dont use multiple personalities on the same thread. I had just come to tell you all that:

    TOM CRUISE TOPPED FORBES LIST FOR A SECOND YEAR IN A ROW!!!!! TAKE THA HATERS!

    Life is gooooooooooooooood!

  296. !!!! says

    Amy, I think everyone has Lib’s email address why would Jackie tries to get it from Oriana? Lib email add was published everywhere.

    Jackie are you looking for Lib email address?

  297. amy says

    oh, and by the way, its also blatantly obvious how DESPERATE you are to get libra’s email address from orianna……go back to the space ship jackie…

  298. amy says

    the information you DO have are the two email addresses which were shown on tomkatcrazy when the site hit a glitch….we all know that…..

    so here is where your argument crashes down…

    if we were the same person, WHY do you have different email information for us??

    you are beyond stupid…not even amateur level….

    and your threats, insinuations, abuse, foul language and so on, simply shows you for the kind of ‘person’ you are….

  299. amy says

    and YOU yourself admit you use multiple names to post on the same threads….
    PLEASE GIVE US THE PROOF YOU SAY YOU HAVE…

    oh,,yeah…YOU DON’T HAVE IT…

    hahahaha….you are laughable

  300. amy says

    !!!/Jackie…

    WOULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE PROOF YOU SAY YOU HAVE THAT CONFIRMS I AM THE SAME AS MIA & SHADOW GIRL…..

    simple…
    ANYONE can through an accusation out there…and YOU

  301. !!!!! says

    Tom Cruise Tops ‘Forbes’ Magazine List of Most Powerful Celebrities

    When it comes to entertainment earnings, men still dominate. Forbes Magazine has just released its 2007 listing of the World’s Most Powerful Celebrities, with men on average earning nearly twice as much as their female counterparts.

    Movie actor Tom Cruise ranks atop this year’s list, earning $67 million. Rounding out the top five are, in descending order, rock singer Mick Jagger; talk show hostess-producer Oprah Winfrey; rock band U2; and golfer Tiger Woods.

    The list measures both the stars’ earnings and their influence within their respective fields. Movie industry analysts say men have the upper hand through career longevity and overall box-office appeal.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/Entertainment/2007-04-30-voa49.cfm

  302. MIAPOCCA says

    Malayka and Kelly..I dont have issues with you too…But when someon lies I will cal lthem out and since I ondt have a multiple personality I dont see the need to say anything to you both about that

    I will apprecaite if you will ge tthe nonsense out of your heads adn look at things objectively on this post…

    JACKIE LIED and comes back with foolish empty threads

    Now the issue is not with anyaone but JACKIE ,..so you can saty out of it
    till last night I had rested my case but if you know want to come bakc and makse foolish accusation then I can only guess

    You dont really thin kI am afraid of anyone on here to be using multiple indentities do you ….

    JACKIE YOU ARE A LIAR YOU OWE THE FORUM AN EXPLANATION FOR WHY YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO LIE

  303. Malayka. says

    Tom moved out of his L.A home he shared with Nicole after the divorce. He moved in with his sister Cass who at the time had split from her husband. When Nicole’s work and later her new marriage meant that she could not stay with the children a lot, they also became a fixture at Cass’ place so he rented a bigger place for all of them and his sister Ann who was a constant vistor.

    When he started dating Katie, after Rome,she could not stay in her flat because of the paps so she also moved in. His mother moved in in 2005 after separating from her husband. Although Roger Friedman says she moved in after Suri was born, she moved in before that because she was with them at the games long before that and I don’t think she was commuting from Florida where her current estranged husband lives.

    Miapocca, Amy or whoever you are, it does not take a genius to know that all those are your posts. Just stop using so many identities because you don’t even know how to keep up with all of them. All of us here are strangers and can’t do anything to you. O.K may be Jackie can, but am sure she won’t, the things she is threatening are criminal and you can sue her butt off for giving any one your IP address. Miapocca is enough. We get your point if you use one identity. You can post as much as you can but multiple posting is rather cheap, annoying and the saddest part is that you think we buy it. We are all not aggressive so we just let you be. I don’t know whats eating Jackie but I for one don’t care one way or the other. If you choose to be cheap and dishonest, that is your business, you will not be the first or the last. Lately this country is full of people trying to convince us of WMDs.LOL, what happened to good, old honesty?

  304. Kelly says

    Wow, ti defintely hot in here.I have alwayssuspected and said this thaMiapocca and Amy and Shadow girl were the same from their posts.I remember saying soemwhere that what one said on one thread, another said it on the next thread and to me the coincidence was too much. The style and tone of their posts is also very similar, kind of like the same bad poets rants. She is aIso protesting too much for her own good. Personally I would like to confirm my strong suspicions but I wouldn’t want to get into trouble and I don’t know much about computers.I just sit on one every day. I am just glad to learn that my suspicions are not unfounded. I will only address her using one name from now.

  305. Jen says

    What is going on in here? Oh well I’m staying out of it!

    Oriana , here is what Victoria’s house looks like…check all the pictures.

    http://www.hellomagazine.com/photo-galleries.html?imagen=/celebrities/2007/04/30/beckhams-home-la/imgs/becham-home-2a.jpg

    Tom and Katie’s are currently living in a rented house but I saw on Extra that Tom has bought 3 new houses in 2005 all in the same area and are a working progress…the new houses including a master house. I think he bought one for his sister, mother and a master house for Tom, Katie and the children.

  306. amy says

    you are so STUPID

    you are telling us that you have PROOF we are the same person…

    HAHAHAHA…

    OK …enough said…that one comment alone PROVES you are full of SHIT…

    you are PATHETIC…

  307. oriana says

    Mia, I hope you aren’t having to be up all night working! It is 9:18pm here on the West Coast. You need your rest, although I feel you are much, much younger than I am. So get some sleep if at all possible.

    Jen, I can’t find that picture of Victoria Beckhams new house, I want to see it! I want to see what style she chose. Has anyone ever seen Tom’s house in L.A.? Does he own it or just leasing it?

    I don’t like the concrete and all glass new styles, I go for the Tudor, the French Chateau styles, and especially the Tara styles with columns. I loved the way Sharon Osbourne decorated her house, but too many crosses everywhere for me.

  308. oriana says

    #447, Very interesting!!!!! Diabetes III? Amazing! There are too many people getting Dementia, but how can someone say Alzhiem is Diabetes III if that person is not diabetic? Just trying to get the reasoning of the Europeans.

    And now, I have to go ask my husband what IP stands for! Told you I didn’t know anything!

  309. MIAPOCCA says

    sorry orianna..but I cant understand how someone can lie so blantantly in black and white and expect to get away with..

    Yes I am irate at the audacity for someone to come on here with the intent of decieving anyone

    SHE NEEDS TO TAKE A LONG LOOK AT HERSELF IN THE MIRROR

    is this how she deals with people in her life..thank god I dont know her in perosn, because she is what nightmares are made of

    SHE IS A LIAR and needs to admit to her mistakes…we all mamke them , yet this woman cannto fess up to a deliberate LIE

    Not worry..not blood pressure yet and I certianly would let some epece de salte give me a medical condition

    hae a good evenign and again my apologies but I simply cannot stand deciet in any form..and thus my anger..

    I do realise that the board ahs becoem pretty nasty but thats what happens when one lies and turns around to threaten users in addition..I dont beleive any one should get away with that kind of behaviour.,,

    I rest my case and I have quite alot to accomplish so I guess I will be up till tommorrow…

  310. oriana says

    Xenafan, thank you for the kind words.

    Jackie, I wouldn’t know how to get anyone’s IP address, thought it would be against the law, and a 8 year old kid probably knows more about the internet than I do!

    I am glad I stumbled on this site by looking at the pictures and thought, well, maybe I will make a comment and see what happens! And here we are!

    Mia, I know you get irate and upset but please calm down, I don’t want you to have to join the ranks of millions, including myself, of having high blood pressure.

    Jackie said she wasn’t a Scientol and that is good enough for me, and good enough for me if she was one! I am glad she isn’t spending her hard earned money (or her husband’s) sorry Jackie!, on e-meters and study sessions that have to be paid for in the name of any religion. Go to Disneyland and Hawaii instead Jackie!

    I see no need to be hurtful, deceitful or vengeful, although I could be very vengeful in certain instances. The truth will all come out in the end one way or another.

  311. MIAPOCCA says

    Hey bitch I am pushing out my indentities as you put it

    You are pathetic..I am not at your smae moronice level and I dont give a shit about ahct ppl think about my opinion to go to the trouble of changing IDs

    amy , shadow if we are truly one and the same then we have basically talking to each other back and forth at the other site…must take one sick brain to com eup with this assumption

    Pathetic MOron ASS WIPE

  312. MIAPOCCA says

    jackie doesnt have clue

    1/; you lied

    2: you are a liar

    3: if you want to know more about IP addreses read this page..go to ezinearticles and search for does my ip address reveal my physiccal location???

    4/;you will realise she is making empty threats..she cant even tell there are 4 differnt ppl and she claims to have addresses..feel free to post your information bitch

    5: You are moron and you lied

    6: all you had to know was admit that you lied you are still going on about this IP nonsense

    what the fuck do you propose after finding out this readily available ip information that you cant locate.you cant even tell your crotch from you ass

    frankly its wont give her shit and I dont give adam to be hiding my IP address..that only tells me you odnt know jack about finding IP..hidden..yeah right…

    FOOL!!!

    A LIAR WHO TURNS AROUND TO THREATEN PEOPLE WITH FALSE INFORMATION

    Put double barrel up your moronic ass and fire away

  313. Xenafan96 says

    Jackie-You made your stand and that is fine. If you feel the need to check occassionally to see if you can gain my IP, feel free. You are aware of the crime involved and I think the warning I gave you clearly stated that. Thus ends that debate.
    As far as the other sites go that you mentioned, I’ve looked them over but really, given that I deal with death, I actually thought a site with “baby” in the name would be a great place to join to get a break. We just went through 2 SIDS cases in the last 3 weeks so I love seeing smiling, happy babies. Alive babies. If you are that fascinated with what goes on when they are not, keep plugging away, I have several sites that I belong to as a professional that you have to be ‘in the industry” to join that can be very blunt and graphic. It’s not worth the public viewing because it can show death in all different stages and all different ages(somewhere my Path 101 prof just smiled that I remembered her slogan).

  314. Shadow Girl says

    Okay, this has gone on far enough.

    Jackie, stop the threats, you’re taking this all too far. You’re just a sad sack who wants attention, that’s all.

    I will have to email the webhost about this, you realize that. I don’t want any threats against my own security.

  315. Jackie says

    Oriana, I am really sorry it had to come to this.I can see you are upset but don’t be. It is just that some times I read people’s posts and I wonder where they get from the neverve to say the things that they say. No am not a scientologist.I just found out more about them because I do not like arguing about things I don’t know.When I see people on this site masquerading it really makes me mad. Apart from a few addresses mainly of protected computers, I know almost every one’s address here and when I see you believing wholly what they feed you, I just wish you knew that they are not who they say they are really. My desire to expose them had nothing to do with Tom Cruise.

    When am suspicious of a address,I check it out to authenticate. I know Kelly,Malayka, Jen and obviously these two, Nisa, Carleigh, xenafan and Kalista Brat’s computers IPs are hidden but a determined person can get them.

    Of course I could black out their computers and they would never know who did it. I will not do that but I will from time to time out them when I see them taking innocent people like you for a ride. If you ever need any confirmation, just ask. I know it is a federal offence but one can get away with a suspended sentence and a computer ban.

    I have made my sentiments on scientology clear but I don’t care if one decides am a scientolgist, frankly,I would be more offended if they called me a mormon.

    If ever in doubt, just send over your e-mail address. IP tracking may seem complex but it is not hard at all especially if a computer is not protected.

    So yes Miapocca, I can post you address and Amy’s on the site and risk my ass but but you are not worth it. I could black out your computer but you are not worth but if you push me, I will send it to Jen and all those who have left their e-mail addresses on this site and federal crimes be damned.

    Now that I think of it, I will defintely give all your addresses to Jen and we will see then what she thinks about you. I have her e-mail address. Don’t worry, it will be an e-mail that expires after 24 hours so she will not have your details for long and am sure she will be able to save herself the task of answering to your multiple aliases.

    So Oriana, just for your knowledge, Amy, Miapocca, Shadow girl are one and the same. Get other aliases Mia and if you push me, I will even out those.

  316. says

    Orianna sorr about the mes son here..but htis woman is just aplain deciteful lair…make tea you wish ahhahaha

    You are just one crazy motherfucker arent you…quit already..You are a liar..keep tracking….phone device my ass..you assume everyone owns a phone or what….are you psycho…I leave the board t your crazy ass

    The converstion is not about your incapability to carry out foolish threats

    But your LYING WAYS

    is not about being a tonkat fan
    its not about being a scientologist

    YOU ARE SIMPLY A LIAR WHO WAS FOUND

    if you choose to pay in order to find out IP address then you are more stupid than I thought

    Go fuck yourself and get the fuck of this site ..you are such as ass…

    Now I have work to do till the wee hours of the morning and this bitch is certainly no inspiration..enjoy the boards and your foolish threats

  317. Xenafan96 says

    Oriana-bless you and your open heart, YOU are a true woman and I admire you.

    Jackie-no luck on the IP? Darn. These federal protection programs I have are mighty nice though. As far a ‘slip up’, if YOU gain access to MY computer it isn’t me that comes knocking at your door. I have a link to a federal office, and if you breach that, YOU break the law. I think I am pretty generous in sharing that with you as a kind warning. What puzzles me ultimately is what is gained with knowing the particulars on anyone? I’m the last person anyone wants to see! Graveyard humor there btw.

  318. oriana says

    Jackie, Mia, Lib, Amy, I wish all this vicious and mean way of talking to one another could stop. I have no idea about what a IP address is and don’t want to know.

    I only have one email address and my son set it up for me before he moved away to PA. I would never in a million years want any harm to come to anyone, not even people I don’t care for, like “N” and Comment, but they can say what they want too, same as any of us.

    Jackie, I don’t know if you are a Scientologist or not, I don’t care, if that is your chosen path then good luck to you, the questions I asked you were just out of curiosity alone, not negative put downs. I find it interesting if you really believe Hubbard’s teachings and if you own an e-meter? And to me, any Scientologist would have to have plenty of money to be able to afford it!

    Mia appears to be very educated on a number of subjects, and she can get fierce when she is crossed or feels insulted, who amongst us has not been called a bitch before in our lives, or done some name calling ourselves? But to go on and on, and get bitter and full of anger, that is not good, it is not healthy, it wastes too many brains cells and too much needed energy in the world today, frankly, we need them.

    Libra posted her email to me awhile back to discuss Hubbard logically, I responded and since then, most of our conversations have been limited, and her vocabulary certainly hasn’t been, fuck this and fuck that, and that is why I can say I have seen another side to her than here, a much nicer side at that.

    No, I can not be recruited, not to Scientol, not to Mormon, Atheists,etc. I do have some respect for all religions, if they are indeed true religions, Atheists, there is no point in me trying to waste my time converting them, for there have been miracles in this lifetime (none of which have been performed by me) that hasn’t changed their minds so I don’t presume too be able to.

    Trust me, if I could make miracles happen, O.J. wouldn’t be on the golf course and out whoring around, Jon Benet’s killer would have been brought to justice by now and Elivs would be alive! So the Scientol should all be grateful to me because of that, Priscilla and Lisa Marie would drop their membership ASAP!

    Jackie, if you are a Scientol then don’t be concerned about saying so, I won’t think any less of you, I do think if Tom showed up to help the fireman he wanted to help them, but he also had to be aware of the charges and the costs for any follow up books, courses, sessions, that is what I have concerns about.

    So I really have to say, I enjoy a lot of the reading on here, but the really vulgar words, I can do without that.

  319. Jackie says

    Miapocca, you astound me with your total lack of grasp of the IT world. Are sure you are in this industry? Then you would know that once they get your general area of location, they can use the phone tracking technology to get to where the exact computer is whether it is on or off. Girl what do you do in IT? Make tea? searve food? or sweep the floors?

    No one would track your worthless self . That is a total waste of resources and energy but I can simply tell when you are masquerading. When you cross the line. But of course.

  320. Jackie says

    Miapocca, don’t rant like a silly child.If you go back and check the comment, it was addressed to Amy and the person I was allegdly ‘lying’ about was Amy so I don’t know why you are losing your head if you are not her. Those site were to just enlighten you about IPS. I cannot of ourse link you to my IP tracker,that would be stupid sweet heart. I just wanted to show you how much IPs can tell about you an how spooky it is. All am going to show Oriana is how to check a posters IP, just that.I will not show her how to track your details and she does not seem like the person to be interested in technology. I think she is not on the site now but as soon as she gives me her e-mail, I can tell her what to do.Just her adn if you push me,may be Jen as well she seems a little naive too.

    I have her address too.I know her identity on TKC and you will be suprised though am not sure I can trust her.I don’t want to end up in jail.

    Your liar screams am sure am more to convince you than me.I am still trying to find Xenufan’s IP but I think she locked it tight. But no IP can be hidden forever, she will slip.I can use a link she posts. You can’t use a date on Babyrazzi but you ca use it on TKC and justjared. The best are those where people sign in like popsugar adn dlisted. x17 is hard ebcause it does not allow right clicking but if someone posts a link, you can track that. You of all people Miapocca working in IT should know. It is os easy to take over someones’ computer and even open pages, only that it can get you behind bars. Quit whingeing, go protect your computer. But remember I have alrady got your address but at least others will not easily access it. Though wait till we comfirm with Miapocca.

  321. says

    XENA I am sure anyone with clue knows she is demented..since we all need our IPs recognized to tak to this site I see why she is findingit so difficult to find the IP..you might to upgrage you OS ..that migh help you get further

    Also once you get a geographic location waht in fucks name can you do…come ,looking for me…ahahhaahha

    You do know that there are things like wireless etc and ppl hop from place to place.You must be living in some small arse town wher everyone uses the same computer ahahhahahahha…nto every uses the same ISP 24/7

    Frankly the IP is like saying I live in buttfuck texas..now look for the needle in the haystack

    What a dumb broad

    the bitch is seriously demented

  322. Xenafan96 says

    Would that be my yahoo address that you ‘cracked’? Please, as if I would post anything professionally related that could go back to anything important. I’ve had the same address at yahoo for @4 years now as a general public address.
    Ladies, Jackie is a whiz-she cracked xenafan96@yahoo.com!!!!!!!

    Thank you for the post, I haven’t seen any attempts yet, but here is YOUR finally-I’m sorry, I have to do this-deadly hint on WHO I work with. I am contracted to work for the local county coroners office in Disaster Relief. Hack away Jackie-Uncle Sam wants to get to know you!

  323. says

    foolish bitch…you dont have to pay to trace an IP…you are so stupid you dont realise the nonsense you spout…

    go read some more and com eback …again the issue at hand it that you lied…not you inability to carry out foolish ass threats

    YOU ARE A LIAR

    Enough with your IP address bullshit..you dont know shit the more nonsense you spout the more evident it is that you are clueless…do they teach you this nonsense in you psycho training camp

    How the heck do you think you are on this site..your IP had to be picke dup by the site in order for you to communicate..and IP wil not tell you a whole lot..I am sorry kidoo..wake and look outside the window at the reak works..you are simply pathetic

    LYING ARSE BITCH..PIG..PIG PIG…I guess it must hurt enough that you are going crazy with rantings of threats

    What a bitch PIG…

  324. says

    I dont need those sites to know shit about computers..dont assume we are ignorant like our sorry ass self…………….

    And sorry to tell you this, but you cannot make my cursors move by simply knowing an IP adress…

    I have already told you to go ahead with your threats so I dont know hy you are wating time talking…now fuck teh hell off and go back under the rock you crawled out from

    What a bitch..pig bitch piggy bitch

    This is a moot point..the issue at hand is

    1: You have been deceiveing people on here

    2: You cannto open your bitch mouth and say you are a scientologist because you are a clam..put on here to decive people

    3: You LIED about a comment I made in order to undermine me adn you got caut redhanded

    5: After gettign caught you procedes to lie some more and bring out multiple personality argument
    s

    YOU ARE A LYING ASS BITCH AND I WILL REMIND DYOU CONTINOULSY SO YOU KNOW YOU DONT FORGET WHAT YOU DID ON HERE

    As for silly ass threats..go ahead and carry them out..I dont give a shit since I know better than you can ever know reading your scientology bulll…………

  325. Jackie says

    Miapocca, I only need one computer to find you.I am sure you are not jumping from state to state to use these computers.I don’t evn know why am telling you juveniles all this. From the way your IPS are easy to access, it is clear that youhave no clue any one can reach you any time.

  326. Libraesque says

    I guess meeting with the attorney is moot because jackie just proved AGAIN she doesn’t know what kind of law I work in NOW

  327. Jackie says

    Xenafan, youare protected but I can se your e-mail you use though I have failed to crack your address. I have a friend who can though. Miapocca and Librasque and Jan were easier because they post on a number of sites and their computers are accessible. But am still trying to crack yours. I will try again when he is here ans will tell.

    Mia, an IP address looks like this

    133.156.199.45. (I hope it is none of yours LOL.)

    Now visit http://www.hostip.info you will know how much I can learn from your address. I am not telling you any more than that. Just know that I track your physical addresses and e-mails and that is enough.

  328. Libraesque says

    Jackie, I talk to Oriana via e-mail, she is a sensible person and isn’t going to be involved in any of your nonsense.
    If she’s reading any of this, you’re no doubt scaring her off with your psychotic rants, and she or YOU would have to post your private e-mail on this blog to connect with eachother and believe me no one in their right mind would do that with you

  329. Libraesque says

    xenu, I’m consulting with one of the attorneys here at 5:30 to find out the ins/outs of this and how to prosecute if necessary

    be back later with the info

  330. says

    you must really think orianna is interested in talking to your psycho ass self…hjsut because you heard she communicates with lib..you want her email address

    try to get a little smarter than that..I am currently on my 20th computer of the day so good luck finding IP addreses…its just a computer..got that …there all kinds of site that will traingulate you IP addresses ..just do google search

    this bitch is something else….
    Poor orianna ,..how the heck did you get into this demand for your email address…ahahhahaahahhahah

  331. Xenafan96 says

    And to answer the very basic question you raised Jackie-just like I can call up the history on this computer and see all the sites and entries made, I can also call up any other IP’s and addresses that communicate TO me. Anyone can.

  332. Jackie says

    I am not telling you the sites you have been to today. Oriana will find out.I knw what you are doing, you can use that against me, I have played this game too long to be that gullible. Did you know that 97% of internet criminals are arrested using the information they unwittingly give out? I know it is a crime to get you addresses and yet you continue to expose them whenever you run around these sites.

    A blog like this can be shut down over an issue of internet privacy. I will not be ticked. Oriana, am waiting for your e-mail address. I don’t know why you are scared, she will destroy the info, I promise you that. All she will do is check it out period. Jesus the way you flex your muscles, one would think you have some balls.

  333. says

    ooooooooooooh

    Xena fan I wish she would so we can set the FBI on her ass..she doesnt have a cluse what an IP address is…,do you have any idea how computers I work on in one…sart counting the IP addresses…

    People are so stupid that when they open their fat mouths they dont realise the sheer stupidity flowing out of it

    It suprises me how she lower us to herself to assume we are equally stupid

  334. Xenafan96 says

    No panic. I would love for you to reveal anything personal other than what I have posted myself. See, as a Mortician, having a license, I get a few more ‘goodies’ than the average person does to protect the very sensitive information I have on decedents ie. Social Security numbers, estate and probate information, etc. that are stored on this very computer. So Jackie, if you can do this, can you see mine? Where am I?
    So tempting isn’t it, if you can. But I’m protected by US Law-gotta love it-so if YOU do reveal anything, then I have the right to press FEDERAL charges against you. How do I know you aren’t hacking into my decedents’ files for the purpose of gaining information to get a new credit card under someone elses’ Social Security #?

  335. says

    Jackie you cant do shit ..so shut the fuck up…in case you are this dumb..one person can use differnt computers throughout the day al with differnt IP addresses..you dont have a clue what an IP address is …so shut the fuck
    \

    Thanks Xena…I am really getting sick of this hubbard pyscho and I dont think Orinana is going to fall for a sick bithc like you and give you her address!!!!

    Get clue..YOU ARE STUPID and CLUELESS and making comments i norder to determien personal information will get you nada form me..and since you are so stupid webbased email can be generated from differnt IP addressed..

    You are so dumb you actually think we are equally dumb..you are caught up in a web of deciet you created for yourself and cant even admits…

    Got to go guys…I dont think I can stand this piece of shit anymore..I have codes to generate and they have nothing to do with breaking into the ass bithes computer sinece I presume that she will only have scientology shit that I CANT pretend to give a shit about….

  336. Jackie says

    Lib was an entertainment legal assistant so she knows nothing, that is if she was. I know it is a crime, but they cannot prove it beyond reasonable doubt from my posts. I am trusting Oriana not to be dumb, I just want her to know what her sweet hearts are upto. Have I said anything about any ones address on this thread, have I revealed any address, I am going to give it secretly to some one who I expect to be rational and trust worthy. She will destroy it afterwards. Of course I can’t give it to her if she does not promise to do this.

  337. Libraesque says

    Jackie, don’t EVEN try to drag Oriana into this sick existence of yours. She doesn’t need to check my IP because she’s not a FREAK.
    Also, you CLEARLY don’t know what you’re talking about because I have only ever posted as myself, as I want my voice KNOWN and HEARD. I want CREDIT for my opinions, and that cannot be achieved by posting under different user names.
    SO, you just proved 100% you are talking out your ass.

    NO ONE uses anyone elses computer here, so ONCE AGAIN, you have proved to be a very unstable person talking a LOT of nonsense.

    You know how you found out the different sites I post?
    YOU SIMPLY GOOGLED MY SCREEN NAME you psychotic freak

    ONCE AGAIN YOU DID NOT ANSWER
    WHAT SITES HAVE I BEEN ON TODAY

  338. Jackie says

    I know I can trust Oriana not to do anything with the information that will harm you guys so don’t panic.

  339. Xenafan96 says

    Is it safe to come up for air now? Mia, you are wasting your time, and I say that in support of you. I could care less if Tom Cruise himself is Jackie, it’s the proverbial head banging against the wall.
    Just remember-Mind the Gap 😉

    JACKIE-Did you know that it is a Federal crime in the United States, which this site falls into that protection as it is registered here in the US, to make terroristic threats against someone in the US? By saying you can control someone’s computer would fall into the catergory of “Hacking”, and very neatly we could find ourselves there if IP addresses and real information NOT given voluntarily were revealed. Now, if you indeed can do so, please feel free to indulge in whatever you believe you can do. Just know that when you cross that line, it is out of your hands not matter how hard you want to control the situation. Libra, I know you do law, am I correct that this Federal statute is still in place? And in fact, bringing everything full circle, it was reinforced DUE to 9/11 to include making confidential knowledge known a Federal breach of security?

  340. says

    why the heck would anyone read that arse paris hilton anyway..you really spend a lot of time clamming dont you jackie..ask for another job..you are tooooooooooooo pathetic…I see you are getting mad enough that you have to make fuckign silly threats…go watch law and order or something..you cant do jack to anyone and if yo do you are so easy to find

    You dont have the fuckign brain cells to even follow up your lied effectively

    Go to go write some codes..till then get the fucking bitch out of here/

  341. Jackie says

    Miapocca, I give you the same advice as your friend. Stop flexing your little muscles it does not impress me at all. Just know that whatever you do, am watching. Oriana, don’t be naive. Can you give me your e-mail address and I teach you how to check these juveniles IP? It is not diffuclt at all. You will even be able to know when they are posting on another site. You have Libraesque’s e-mail, so I will show you how to get her IP. I will also give you Miapocca’s e-mail and show you how to check her IP. Then you will be able to tell who they really are and their aliases. Libraesque has a habit of using many identites on Justjared, dlisted and Us weekly. You can visit those sites with the IP information I will give you and confrm for yourself. You have to be careful though as any one can have access to their computers using these addresses, destroy them after checking them.

  342. Libraesque says

    Jackie, you’re avoiding the question
    WHAT SITES HAVE I VISITED TODAY AND WHERE HAVE I POSTED????

    and what names are you claiming I use because this is the question where you’ll REALLY hang yourself

  343. says

    Orianna sorry about all the nonsense…but this woman decided to go along with hubbard teaching and lie in plain balck and white and when called out on it she still wont admit and goes on lying her behind off

    Her intentions are decieful so so cant admit it because she will equally lose the support of the people she has been decieving

    I really have never seen such sheer madness adn she dares to think we are like her ..chaninging IDs etc…that is so foriegn to my nature

    I have never had to deal with such a pathological lair …unbelievable..then make threats about shutting down computers are you kidding me

    You mus thtink we just stepped out of grade school with such nonsensical garbage

    You you really think I will make up IDS on account of some foolish non thinkers on tomkat

    YOU ARE A LIAR and not TRUTHFULL and you KEEP on lying…..TRY TO REMEBER hubbbard nonsense worked on high school dropouts like his sorry ass demeted self not normal people like me///

  344. Jackie says

    You thought I would fall fo that one didn’t you? I can even tell you which name you use on justjared, dlisted.com, perezhilton, Us weekly. But you screamed a lot over those e-mails and webmistress had to call in the administrator. We can’t have that can we? I cannot afford to lose sight of you two. You are nuisances but the day you cross the line, you will have to buy new computers because I will shut those down. At least you know where you stand. Your show of bravado is putty, but at least you tried. You remind me of a little girl with a stone calling bluff while pissing all over themselves. You think it is only your e-mails I can crack? Push it and you will see. Go back and do what you do best. Defend Brad and Angelina and copy adn paste sites and links.

  345. says

    by the way dont you think that its wierd that you are the only one to use unintelligent and miapocca in the same sentence..stop making up lies bitch and fess you

    YOU ARE A LIAR and low lying thieving scheming btich who cant tell her ass from her crotch

  346. says

    why bring up a supemarker shooting .are you threatening me ?

    And when has anyone ever known me to use difernt names…to use different names I must be afraid of smoehting..I assure you that you cannotr scare me

    Finally just go back and realise waht an arse you made out of yourself…all this would have come to an end if you onlyhad admitted your decietful ways

    Multiple personality indeed…you do realise that we all have jobs dont you….
    I dont have all day siitng in a pathetic little apartment writing up one lie after the next

    The NAME Is MIAPOCCA…look ip , you will realise I dont have shit to fear…and will not be changing my name anytime soon,..

    what a liar..just stop lying I think I have had enough..frankly I hope you dont have any children to indoctrinate with this nonsense…

    Waiting Bitch .,..tell me what you got..
    PIG!!!

    SHE CANT EVEN TELL HER OWN LIE APART…wow

    What a messed up woman or thetan or wog or wahtever thier pyscho ron named them…you are weak , stupid brainwashed adn pathetic

  347. oriana says

    Ladies! Please!!! This madness has really got to stop!!!!!!

    I do not think for one moment that Mia is all these other people! She gets her messages across just fine without the need for any Alias names.

    As for Xenuafan, I am very sorry indeed over the loss of your father and hope he didn’t suffer at the end.

    As for the picture I saw of Tom and David saluting each other, TAKE OFF THE UNIFORM YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO WEAR!!!!!!!! Stop the fakey salute!!!!!!! You do not represent this country, YOUR country is millions of miles away on some overcrowded planet! Wave that flag! If you truely believe the teachings of Hubbard, then you have to believe his teachings! It can’t be both ways, either be true Scientol and stand up for what you believe in, stop being half/half, to go along with the media and then to so/so support your Organization.

    Every Catholic I know owns a cross, so I would think that every Scientilogist owns an e-meter, if that is Hubbard’s teachings, and he is there leader, they have to walk the walk.

  348. Libraesque says

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh poor Jackie
    caught in your own bullshit lies!!!!
    hahahahahahahah!!!
    no one is using my computer!!!!!

    And I don’t OWN a cell phone
    hahahahahahahahah
    try another one though you’re too funny!!!

    And you still didn’t list what sites I’ve been to and posted on today

  349. Jackie says

    Miapocca, you are atually more than 4, don’t forget other identities that you use on TKC. What a weak memory. Frankly, I don’t mind you posting in multiple personalities. I just enjoy showing how dumb you are from time to time. Before I even check, I can tell it is you. I have only been wrong on one occassion, either that or you used a different computer at the time. Being in IT, you should know that secutiy on these sites is a fallacy. Then again, you deal with 15 year olds and pensioners who cannot tell a rifle from a KA-47.

    Did you know that there was another shooting today in a supermarket? So many people dead senselessly in recent times. What a world we live in, full of psychos and troubled people.If only someone could help them.

  350. says

    Jackie stop the crazy talk..I work in IT and can school you in a few things…be a little more explicit about your methods and lets see if you are right

    also for a mean bitch that you are if you had any information on anyone at all you will already have spread it about like you did in your guise as !!!!

    You can even tell you are talking to 4 ppl so how is hell are you going to find someone with a cell phone from your pathetic nasty scieno apartment

    Xenu have no mercy…you really are a pathetic clam

  351. Jackie says

    Funny, how am laughing too libraesque. now why would I do that? You want webmistress to be miffed? The companies that run these blogs are pretty cranky when it comes to security. I still want to visit from time to time. To keep tabs on you my favourite people.

  352. says

    OH NOW WE ARE TWO WOMEN

    JACKIE or you normal yet….cant stick to your own lies????

    Whats up ..did mitosis jsut occur??

    We split into two..the magic number is 4..cant beleive that more than one person find you disgusting and pathetic???

    Bitch you are soooooooooooooo pathetic…try freaking psychaitrist and get off the Koolaid

  353. Libraesque says

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    jackie STOP, I’m laughing so hard I have a tummy ache.

    actually sweetheart NOTHING you have said is true…I haven’t been to just jared in ages, and I haven’t posted on US in ages.

    But if you really CAN access my computer (and here is where you’ll FUCK YOURSELF, because you won’t be able to answer correctly)
    PLEASE share with everyone, what sites have I REALLY been on today, and where have I posted?????

  354. Jackie says

    Are you sure you haven’t? Then who is using your computer libraesque?

    Hey, did you know that you can be located using your mobile phone or…….computer? Interesting.

  355. Jackie says

    Big hairy ass??? I don’t think so. Don’t cry shadow girl, Miapocca, Amy, whatever. Surely you know I cannot harm you. I have already told, you are a waste of space and not worth the air you beathe. These machines are made by people. What man hath made, man can break. For the moment, I will settle for revealing you identities whenever you cross the line. No need to know what line, I will notify you when you do. Keep on posting your comments. They would be funny if they were not stupid.

    What are you going to do now? Scream web insecurity? Go on, scream, I can shut your computer anytime. But that would be extreme.I hope you do not forget what happened to your e-mails on another site.

  356. Libraesque says

    jackie, you snapped your cap.
    I haven’t posted on B&A in ages, so unless someone else is Libraesque, you once again are talking CRAZY TALK!!!

    keep it up, it’s entertaining

  357. amy says

    all i know jackie, is that you can kiss my fucking ass!!

    you are a waste of screen space…

    just piss off and find someone else to harrass / convert/ intimidate into your cult..

    we ain’t buying crazy here…

    if you want to keep posting..sure..go ahead…

    i couldn’t give a rats ass what you do…

    like i said on tk…we have NOTHING in commone..

  358. Shadow Girl says

    Very true, LIB

    Ah, Jackie. You’ve just made yourself the scapebitch here. U wanna join $cien? Look at Jackie! Look at how fucked up she is! U think people would wanna join after reading your…..less informed little girl whiny bitch posts?

    Grow up, little girl. You can get down on your knees and lick Tom’s microdick all you want(if U can find it), but you can’t ass kiss here.

    OK little pussyass dicklicker. Why don’t you try some other place to post, hmm? Everyone here can see your deceitful ways and probably most hate your worthless pathetic little guts.

    What’s the matter, hmm? You try to get into $cien but they reject you because U don’t make enough $$? Hmmm?

    In short, we’re all sick of you and you should get the fuck outta dodge. We won’t miss ya.

    Kiss my big hairy ass, little girl.

  359. Jackie says

    So you didn’t see anything…… good. Can I make your cursors move? You two people make me laugh. You are two silly women who do not even know what you are doing. Your pants are too big for you. Yes I can access your comuters. You know I can because there is nothing that I have told you that is not true.NO?

  360. says

    WHAT A fucking demented lair…

    I hope that silly JEN keeps away from your psycho ass
    or rather do us a favour and add her to your disciples

    I see you havent addressed Orianna questions about the emeter shit..one minute you are preaching to her about scientology..the next she gets back at you with some simple questions and you back off…

    YOU ARE A LYING ARSE SCIENO BITCH…/

    insincere and a cult monger….why keep up the pretense…nobody really cares..I believe most ppl were pretty chummy with BRIAN /B……

    You are just plain nasty/…..

  361. says

    hilarious LIB

    “WHAT in the hell are you talking about Jackie???
    You finally jumped your trolly!!!!!!!!!

    kep up the posts honey, they’re customizing your straight jacket RIGHT NOW!!!!

  362. says

    ARE YOU DELUSIONAL NOW/

    YOU ARE A LIAR..YOU HAVE LIED SEVERAL TIME YOUR STUPID ATTEMPTS AT BRAVADO TO LENGHTEN THE POSTS AND THUS BURY YOUR LIES WILL NTO GO PASS ME

    I will remind you lest you forget that you are A LIAR

    Frankly you have a lot of commentw which leads me to believe you dont have a clue about what and who you tal to ;;;jsut a fals attempt and no bitch you dont scare me …keep lying your psychotic uneducates arse off and dig your own grave

    I can believe this bitch..she just cant stop

    YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Even you followers thought you speak up for you that you made a mistake..however they can read for themselves now you are a liar
    \
    Orianna asked you questions you never answered….hoping that will be buried under the posts

    YOU ARE A LIAR

    if you werent you would be answering question and if you were normal you wouldnt be on here making foolish threats..

  363. Jackie says

    Hey, let me do more work for you!!!

    But Libraesque why do you call it work? WORK? WORK? Who are you working on? the fans? Why are you working on them? And yet all your efforts have not prevented more and more people hating your favorite couple Brad and Angelina. I feel sorry for you. I really do. But don’t give up. Sometimes I wonder what you gain from it. I will give you one thing, you are their one loyal fan.

  364. Libraesque says

    WHAT in the hell are you talking about Jackie???
    You finally jumped your trolly!!!!!!!!!

    kep up the posts honey, they’re customizing your straight jacket RIGHT NOW!!!!

  365. amy says

    yes i do jackie…i see my husband..children…friends…family…collegues..neighbours…and so on and so on…
    i look at this screen and see – mmm…
    a pathetic loser who seriously FUCKED up today by being a bit sloppy with her multi ID’s….who is now trying to act all big and tough to cover…
    well you know what…
    i am so glad you have posted here today…and on tkc…
    because that way we can always cut a link to send to people to show the TYPE of person you REALLY are…
    thats the best gift you could of given us…
    PROOF…online..that the person who accuses US of being a multi poster..is one THEMSELVES..
    and ALSO is an agressive violent abusive person…
    thanks jackie….
    now…i am bored with you…
    leave me alone…

  366. says

    Jackie let me take you back to the reason why we are all giving you these comments

    I think its important not to lose site of the reason since you wish people would..I will make sure to refresh ppls mind ever so often

    YOU ACCUSED me of makign a false statement simply to undermine my credibility because you see me as a threat

    After being caugt for lying you added another lie that I have a multiple personality and since many ppl are familiar with my post ..I THINK you are just making up stories to cover your ass

    Your stupid statements since then has only been to distract from your decietfulness and I hope people here dont forget…YOU ARE A LIAR

    A SCIENTOLOIGT MASQUAREDING AS A FAN simply to decieve people after gaining their confidence and trust

    the game is up

    YOU ARE A LYING ARSE COW BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  367. Libraesque says

    PROTECTION on my computer.???????????
    What computer? SInce you’re pretending to know so much tell me WHAT computer

    If you think you’re “scaring” anyone with your dumbass comments, you’re NOT.

    With your increasingly psychotic comments you are only proving to be a better $cieno deterrent than ANY link we can provide.

    Actually, keep it up, you’re doing the work for us

  368. Jackie says

    Yes Libraesque, I see you are not to be outdone. Tired of defending Brad and Angelina? I actually don’t mind them but you waste an awful amount of time on them. You could get something more constructive to do! US Weekly is a rag,stop wasting your energies on it. Don’t answer this, but aren’t you shifting post info from justjared to usweekly? Naughty naughty.

    Miapocca, what did you see over your shoulder?

  369. Jackie says

    Hey, hey, come now, don’t get carried away Miapocca/Amy/shadow girl/Carla…….. your fantasies are working over time. Look over your shoulder………..see anything? Any one?

  370. Libraesque says

    hahah Jackie don’t you know, projection will always come back and bite you in the ass.

    Can I just say that time and time again TomKat fans prove to be the MOST naive, gullible, and not very bright people EVER
    I LOVE being told to get a life by someone who then spent an unfathomable amount of time cutting and pasting the words HA HA
    Priceless

    And to the person that said we haven’t converted anyone, it’s impossible for you to predict that. SO MANY people come here, read these comments and don’t respond online. But that doesn’t mean they don’t go to the links and educate themselves

  371. amy says

    jackie…you are sick and dangerous…
    comments like that about lib’s computer, coupled with the ones wishing we all killed ourselves are seriously not normal…
    get outta the sauna and back on your meds…

  372. Jackie says

    Miapocca/Amy/shadow girl. Calm down. You will make yourself ill. I told you, you are too worthless for any one to hurt you. Even the air you breath is a waste.

  373. says

    oooooooooooooooooosh shadow that was hilarious…got me ROFLMAO

    As said only those who post under different names are quick to accuse others of the same thing..

    What a pathetic ass….

    You know there is a thread where !!!! started trying to befriend me an asked where I lived and told her I lived in butt fuck then tried again by telling me she was not a tom fan and so we can be friends…however the information I gleaned was someone who said she was in Africa etc etc and used Uni so I concuded it was not someone in the US

    However I wether or not they are the same person I find jackied attempt at decietfulness among fans quite pathetic…they are pretty much sitting duck for her ..qiutely gaining confidence before preaching her scientology shit

    Jackie you should feel free to speak as a scientologist….I see nothing wrong with reading a scientology opinion, just dont spin the whole decietful shit on the people here…at least the ppl you have been fooling deserve to know the truth..

    I dont since I dont care for you nonsense, but if in a decade or so you become washed up and useless to that cult..I hope you can come back and read comments with an objective view and realise how fucking stupid you are

    We have singlyhandley convinced peopel here of the sheer stupidity and decietful nature of your cult

    You are nothing but a rude little pig and I leave you to Alec Baldwin to straighten your stick up you arse flat arse

    Bitch pig thinks she can put up bravadO and get away with her lies….we are waiting for your explanation and accusing people of a multiple personality will not do it…

    Try to note that ppl here are not as stupid as you indoctrinated close minded slef

    You are a lair on here to use the tomkat board for your decietful ventures…you are stupid incredibly foolish and a LIAR …have failed MISERABLY in your task and you can run back and suck on the asthmatic dwards minute fucker….you can leave the stick up yer ass..might help you……

    What a bitch cow…

  374. Jackie says

    Aaaaaaaaaa, libraesque, you have finally left Justjared.com and usweekly long enough to post here too????!!!! No more threads on Justjared???? I see you are busy on usweekly. You need more protection for that computer of yours.

  375. Jackie says

    And that ha ha ha ha bit, just don’t do it again it is not good for our eyes. You know what I mean.

  376. amy says

    talk about being so fucking STUPID as that…
    the best bit is that while she was posting under !!!! she said she hoped all us non tomkat’ers would KILL OURSELVES…now…would you want to join a religion with members like that?

  377. Shadow Girl says

    Woohoo, bring it on little $cien pussy! You could get busted and in jail for that, FYI.

    Jackie’s a little pussy with nothing else to do but to bug people about speaking their minds.

    Jackie, if you tried to speak your mind, you’d be totally silent. Why don’t you drop this and go play with yourself? Cumguzzling little dicksucker.

  378. amy says

    GUYS!!

    JACKIE HAS JUST ACCIDENTLY OUTED HERSELF ON TOMKAT CRAZY AS !!!!

    classic…

    she was over there on that name and used the EXACT same sentence as she did here about knowing our nicknames but letting us go…
    she has really LOST all her credibility today…

  379. says

    Bitch you are not wasting resource..now stop the false bravodo and you can admit to the people on here your intent and why you are deceiveing them

    You can even do that…

    Shame on you

    Ugly scientologist bitch..COW with a stick up yer arse…
    up yours bitch again and again…you only wish it were tom but its a stick.,.asse bitch

  380. Libraesque says

    Jackie, the only person who has been PROVEN without a doubt to be the same poster is “Ginger” and “Anne” from TKC.
    For you to PRETEND that you know these people are one in the same is INSANE
    quit embarrassing yourself, it’s pathetic. EVERYONE knows , NO ONE can tell with certainty that a person is posting under various usernames unless they’re BUSTED straight out like the fools on TKC, or like on this board where people have ADMITTED that they post under different user names.

    YOU are an idiot

  381. Jackie says

    Hey, don’t panic sweetheart. Just keep cool. It is O.K. No one is going to harm you. You are just a sardine in the ocean. No one can waste any resources on you. Just grow up.O.K?

  382. says

    what a bitch ..cant even tell a simple truth…I dont want an apology for attemtpting to malign me, but the fact that you cant concede the truth when faced with facts says loud and clear what a decietful bitch you are

    You cant even tell people apart so which identity do you wish to reveal

    Bitch ..hang up your shoes and find another site to peddle your shit..

    MY name is MIAPOCCA you can find me platered all over the TOMKAT blogs on TMZ going back ages

    I dont beleive in decietfulness and have no obligation to lie to anyone here…so come on bitch tel me what you got

    You are so tripping ..bitch cow…you lie too much

    Now dont mention my name and stop your peddling and fuck the hell off my back .,..you got that
    \
    ugly bitch fucking ass scientology cow!!!

  383. says

    JACKIE REVEAL MY IDENTITY IF YOU CAN..I have nothing to hide…that will only tell how manipulative you are…you come on here to find percieved threats and file inforamtion about them’;…the fact that you cant even analyse sentence construction to tell there are differnt personalitieso n her is pathetic…reveal our identity…ahahhah you are soooooo pathetic…I am wiating…

    ARSE BITHCH I am waiting…please humor me

    What a liar…should I expect your sick cult members on my doorsterp, becuase I promise you I wouldnt hesitate to shoot any maniacs on my doorsterp/…

    You just single handedly outed yourself and these stupid little phrases about multuple personality is pathetic

    ORIANNA/….are you there..,I jsut need you to come tell this bitch that she is wya off line and we are defintely no multiple personalities….

    hopefully the tom fans will catch on to your sheer nonsense

    I am waaritn bitch ..tell me who I am ./..foolish bitch arse cutl member

  384. says

    What little secret jackie.;

    I have told you that your number is up ..stop trying to hide behind multiple personality accusations

    Are you so stupid or so foolishly involved in that cult that you think we are equally stupid as yourself to take in some stupid ass lie about you assuming we are one and the same

    Orianna should know since she communicates with LIB directly

    You are just a sorry arse lying bitch and your game i sup

    You came her to LIE , monitor and recruite people through their love for love…you are a patheric scieintologist who doesnt know A from B

    YOU ARE A LIAR AND YOU ARE THE ONLY BELEIVEING YOUR MULTIPLE PERSONALITY SHIT

  385. Jackie says

    Miapocca/Amy/Shadow girl/ Idon’t give a shit…. I thought you didn’t mind me? Gee am hurt by your change of heart. I liked it when you loved me. I was willing to keep your little secret but sometimes you push me too far. I know every site you visit and all the identities you use. I just let you be because frankly, I don’t think many bloggers have any sense. I like this site and you went too far. Lets just say that if I you push your luck, I will reveal your identity. You can get new nicknames in the mean time. Failed to read your long posts. Waste of time.

  386. amy says

    jackie is the product of the kind of twisted teachings that scientology has to offer to its followers…should we feel anger towards her or pity???
    both i think…
    you have been caught out for the kind of horrible manipulative person you are…
    the one thing i CANNOT stand..apart from you LYING..is when people do not acknowledge when they have made a mistake…i have had BIG arguments – which got nasty – with ‘jen’ over this issue…and EVEN THEN there was some kind of resolution…so what exempts YOU from this jackie???
    that is everyday, decent common courtesy…or do scientologists not have that? it doesn’t appear so…
    you come on here, lying about who you are, waiting, then pouncing on potential recruits all whilst trying to destroy the characters of people who disagree with you…
    you are demented and dangerous
    oh
    and not very polite..
    you need a good steam little clam

  387. says

    I dont even know where people get the idea we care to convert tomfans…as long as I am concerned there is inforamation out there…kelly is aware of this since she has mentioned she is not a fan of the cult but cruise

    However my perspective is simply that I do not seperate actor from cult and for those who wish to read posts and links on that subject they are free to do without a gun being held to their head

    I will urge them to get the nonsense out of their heads that writing about scientology is a way to get them to stop them from loving tom…all it promotes is an image of one who will cling on to a belief they know full well has holes

    However if they have made this choice knowing all the facts then I commend them on thier opinion
    However if cruise is uisng his celeb status to push a dangerous practice, I believe that as a human being who cares about humanity I also have the right to use public forums to voice my opinion…

    I dont have a gun to anyones head.you can skip or ignore but dont make arguments when you dont have the facts.

    JACKIE the bitch clam using tatics to undermine people and getting her converts…I dont have to sugar coat information …why does jackie feel she has to lie to get attention on the forums

    You are decietful and a liar……you still havent answered orianns questions on your cult….
    Lying ass bitch

  388. Xenafan96 says

    LOL-nah, Midnight is just ‘big-boned’ as they say. He’s enormous-we got him from my brother in law who is a mechanic and this cat kept hanging around the garage, so he calls us up and asks if we want him. I was stunned when we first saw him. He is the biggest baby in the world, but he can take on a medium size dog and win. His breed tends to run on the big side. Last year my 6 yr old came running in, crying and carrying these two tiny kittens. The mom had been run over and my daughter found the babies crying next to the mom. Middy personally took over those two(we hand fed them)and taught them how to be a cat. Just a gentle giant.

  389. amy says

    yeah yeah kelly…keep talking to an empty room…

    i for one am not trying to convert ANY one from ‘loving’ tom…if you are that kind of shallow person that you ‘love’ the public image created by a team of PR for the public in order to sell tickets..then go ahead…by all means…

    BUT i do feel you are wrong in your comment…

    not EVERYONE who comments on here ‘loves’ tom as you do..
    there are comments above from MANY different posters who don’t like him for whatever reason..

    as with any celeb..he will have fans and he will have detractors..
    what makes him different is his public promoting of a dangerous and deadly CULT

    you might chose to ignore that because you are still carrying your teenage crush on him, but others can’t

    now, i am not saying this to be personal and i do not wish to get drawn into a verbal war with you..merely trying to explain why I comment the way i do…

  390. says

    By the way before you come up witha notehr stupid exucuse about me attackignyou for being a scientology or a tomfan…you might want to get that nonsense out of your yer head

    I simply hate hate hate decietful people who present a different face to people with intent to peddle cult crap and I hate people cannot simply tell a truth and finally I hate people who have to malign others based on self percieved lies.

    If all those characteristics go hand in hand with your status in a cult and as a tom fan , THEN I am guilty of hating all those who fall into that group you belong to..so shoot me bitch

    However I think I Know better in that there have been cordial fans as well as scientologist who havent felt the need to behave as disgracefully as you

    And for the tom fans who jackie is manipulating..take off yoru fucking glasses and think for yourself..your agenda may be to support tom but that is not jackie’s agenda

    Decietful snake bitch

  391. amy says

    oh dear jackie….

    you are really have outdone yourself this time..
    ok, i understand you believe me/mia and now ‘who gives a shit’ are the same person…

    but you really fucked up as the horrible, nasty and personal comments you made directly to mia were about a comment that an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT poster put on here….
    it is people like YOU that give people like US the ammo we need in our anti-scieno campaign…as you like to imagine we are on..

    when I made an error like yours to another poster, i apologised first chance i got…hands held up…
    YOU on the other hand show your true colours…
    lying cult following scum
    now – back to your recruiting…

    xenafan – what the hell do you feed it??? can i suggest a hearty diet of scientologists??

    actually no , they are full of shit..so don’t…it wouldn’t be healthy

  392. Kelly says

    Yeah, after all the posts, I still see no converts, what wasted effort! We still love Tom as much as we did before you posted those long novels. Frankly I did not bother with all that nosense. I don’t think any one will bother. I can see we have some degenerates on our hands. Desperate ones at that. Geez. Love Tom, Love Katie.

  393. says

    thanks for the laugh Xena….just getting hilarious since thise sheer desperation on the part of these wogs is just hilarious to see………………..

    Glad we can get you bleached scientology sauna asses all riled up…

    jackie is such a bleeding liar..no need to save face jackie, you are an arse and a liar and everyone has caught on to it..even the fools you have formed alliances with and are peddling your shit to ….

    WHAT A LIAR…

  394. says

    when you cant win create a diversion with sheer nonsense..we can still skip you know …i wonder why you want to generate such work for yourself and forcibly insert yourself into a conversation where you are being ignored …ahhahahha

    Religion , bigotry etc etc…find something new to lynch at us…

    What an arse donkey ………

    I can see how desperate you are all becoming..because you accuse us of what you are feeling…very funny..why not keep your emotions to yourself

  395. Xenafan96 says

    Pure tension breaker here- My 21lb Maine Coon cat just jumped onto the back of my chair and scared the SHIT out of me. Then he fell right back off b/c he is way too big to fit.
    Just a little laugh break for everyone!

  396. says

    Before I begin..,my apologies to much respected posters on her but I have get dirty with this bitch!!
    \
    Jackie you are just here to save face..you are a liar..I have called on it several times..I will not even dignify explaining that we are not the same person

    You must really think I am freak like you..In the world outside of scientology people actually believe in TRUTH
    Learn to live by truth and you life will way better than the shit you stuff it with through the brochures you pick up from the sceintology center

    Frankly you are nothing but a weak individual who faced with your miguided attempt to decredit me , ahve to come up with another lie…it took you long enough to come up with that nonsensense ..and it backfired on your lyging face…and amy did not make the comment you accused me of so once again you have shit plastered on your face…

    Go back and read and please dont assume we are uneducated and foolish as yourself

    Worthless piece of shit, at lease tell your fucking ass cult to send someone with better brain power on here…
    YOU ARE A LIAR have lied several times on this forum and conitinue to lie…when one lies so much they cannot even remember the previous lie

    You really are struggling with your proselytization…

    Apologies to much respected posters on here but I really cannot let deciet slide…YOU ARE A LIAR

  397. !!!! says

    Sounds like somebody out there is jealous???
    Too many really INTENSE ATTACKS ON ONE OR THE OTHER. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION??? WHO SEEMS TO BE CONSTANTLY IN THE NEWS ATTACKING RELIGIONS ANYWAY??? LOOK AROUND AND SEE THE COMMON DENOMINATOR..YOU WILL FIND THE ONE TRYING TO DESTROY OFFBEAT RELIGIONS FIRST, THEN STARTING WITH EACH ONE…KILL EACH ONE OFF AT A TIME THEN ALL OF THEM! AS THEY OUTLAWED ALL RELIGIONS IN GERMANY & RUSSIA AND IN FRANCE, SOME YEARS AGO–GET REAL GUYS–SOMEBODY IS AFTER RELIGION’S COLLECTIVE ASSES..WELL, WHILE YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE SLICING AND DICING, SOMEBODY IS ABOUT TO COME UP FROM BEHIND AND BITE YOUR BACKSIDES. WHILE YOU ARE NOT LOOKING!!! THE FDA–IS HELPING THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES– DESTROY OUR RIGHTS TO HEALTH PRODUCTS, TO HEALTHY FOODS, AND HEALTHY HERBS.
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    concerning the deadline
    Last week, the American Herbal Products Association (AHPA) informed the FDA of an error found in the Federal Register notice that set April 30, 2007 as the deadline for comments. The original draft guidance appeared in the Federal Register on February 27, 2007, along with this note: “Comments and suggestions regarding this draft document should be submitted within 90 days of publication in the Federal Register of the notice announcing the availability of the draft guidance.”

    In a letter to the FDA, an attorney for the AHPA noted that this would put the actual deadline at May 29, 2007, offering the public much more time to submit comments regarding the new guidelines. Unfortunately there’s been no response yet from the FDA about whether the deadline will be extended, so for the moment we have to assume that the deadline for comments is less than a week away. (If that deadline is extended, I’ll let you know about it as soon as we get word.)

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    And you can use this link to submit your comments (be sure to note Docket No. 2006D-0480, and the title of the document: “Draft Guidance for Industry on Complementary and Alternative Medicine Products and Their Regulation by the Food and Drug Administration”): http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/sc…CID=& AGENCY=FDA
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  398. Xenafan96 says

    All in all, it still made me woozy. It’s been a long long time since I was wishing I had more to do today(that is so terrible, that I am literally bummed no one died so I have something to do! Horrible Mortuary secret exposed!!)

    I just might need a nap.

  399. Jackie says

    It wasn’t a mistake, I intended it, I never adress Amy as any thing other than Miapocca if you have been following my posts, because she ia one and the same person. She is also show girl and now has started using ‘who gives a shit. It is easy to tell. No, it was intended sweet hearts.

  400. amy says

    don’t sweat xenafan…i have, and i am sure when N has finished her nap and returns, will yet again, be called far worse…

  401. says

    Woe profound intelligence…I doubt youa re laughing.,.,that too too much effort fo you to have laughed through it

    rather some hardcore manual labour of cut and paste how may line exactly??

    I am dumbfounded by your intellectual capacity to debate

    what a load of shit arse dead brainers..

    Your hard work is nothing but a display of your incompetence in the face of facts…did you run out of lies to tell us

    add more haha and you are just being rude to all the people using this post..in case you havent heard the abbreviation is ROFLMA.O…

    That took way too much brain power..you could have read that article LIB posted in time it took to do your cut and paste nonsense

  402. Xenafan96 says

    SWEET JESUS! It’s like HAL from 2010 climbed on here for a minute. The above post is great material for a new FOX show:
    When Computers Attack.
    LOLOLOL-and I have gotten accused of being a windbag? Whew 😛

  403. amy says

    ‘who gives a shit’
    half the people who write here are paid to do so…
    if it did triple his ego..i hope it helps boost his height just a little…he will get varicose veins when he is older from all the time he spends in his heels…

  404. who gives a shit says

    What a waste of TIME!!! If only Tom cruise knew there are people who spend this much time talking about him his ego will triple!!! People you all need to BUZZ OFF AND get a LIFE!!!!!

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  405. Libraesque says

    I guess “N” feels like a meaningful contribution to this thread is to copy and paste something you commented on with the riveting, intelligent post “EXACTLY”

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ??????????????

  406. amy says

    awwwwwwww…..don’t scare her away miapocca….

    her agressive, obsessive rants and abuse to me always gives me a laugh….

    according to her – last week i was libraesque’s bitch…

    i suppose this week i am yours…

    please put a thought in my head miapocca…quick..i am scared i might get one of my own if you are not quick enough…

    and jackie is not back either???….mmmm…that says it all about scientology doesn’t it…

    FAIR GAME though mia…

  407. says

    Well said amy ahahhahah

    I never read anything from this N that I can even remember…dont know where they appeared from.,..they are hardly making a blip on here..I guess so the MO is to attack someone and call attention to the nothingness.

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    BORING !!!!!!!!!!!!

    I will lets ignore N into their nothingness, because without amy to pick on you are NOTHING!!

  408. says

    Great post Xena fan..

    See in my world any organization that denies children right to full medical care in order to realise thier potential is crimimnal

    apart from the fact these people lie outright in their very first ecounter with their recruits…why cant they come out as themselves…I think every human deserves an informed choice and if they keep on harriasing you I will advise to get to together other similar indivuals and give them a piece of their own medicine…sue them and keep it going forever…..I am sure there are some free fudns from estates of ex members that can help in this kind of case…………

  409. amy says

    N

    i see that you have chosen me as the weaker of the three..classing me as a mindless follower with no valid contributions..

    and i take it that THAT is precisely why you target me and don’t attempt to take task to anyone else..

    go ahead if that makes you feel better..i can take it..
    as i said before N = Nothing

    wonder how long before your foul mouthed rants come out..??

    you are so predictable …

    and for the record…if any of US were (and YES we have in the past) to make a mistake like that, we would be crucified and you know it…

    why the double standards…why is it ok for YOU to come to others defense when you feel they have been wronged but for some reason, if I do, i am a mindless ‘follower’…

    i don’t expect you will have the decency or intelligence to give me a polite explanation…just wanted to point that out..

    now…be a good girl and play with your crayons.

  410. says

    N…JACKIE did not MAKE a MISTAKE
    She had told too many white lies on here..You may want to ignore it because you are only looking for an opportunity to drag amys name into your discourse…

    I have not heard anything on imnportance from you other than that you have targeted amy for whatever reason ..I dont know who you are , I dont care who you are and what you wish to crow about….my name is not for your use wether in short or long form..I have enough scientologists and irritating arses to deal with and I you are not invited to the party so stick to whatever it is you came here to do and dont use my name to attract attention for yourself…concentrate on writing something worthwhile other than tageting someone to attain attention or getting on the gravy train of a reigning dispute

    YOU ARE NOT INVITED INTO MY DIALOGUES..BUZZ OFF
    Pathetically irritating..

  411. Xenafan96 says

    Well, glad for the nice thoughts and posts, thanks!
    Jackie-I think ANY celebrity that trumpets a cause should be willing to take the slings that they may not win the whole world over. I was curious, several years ago, when I saw a full page ad in the paper asking @300 questions on what I wanted from life. I was at a point in my life where I was sick of seeing battered wives coming in, and young kids dead from alchohol related deaths, everything. You get taught how to distance yourself in school, yet it still can break your heart. I took the survey and mailed it in. A couple weeks later, I was contacted via mail with my results. It was incredible. Apparently I resented my mother for not birthing me in a serene atmosphere(My mother was basically knocked out since her labor went 29 hours and I was thisclose to being a c-section baby), I resented my life (somewhat true since I was ready to just walk away), I had so many past emotional scars that really, I was a mess. Wow. it was like reading about some character in a novel. It wasn’t even close to me. I was barraged by letters and then phone calls-come down and have an E-Meter, we want to help you, we can enlighten you. Ah thanks, but no thanks. Now I know better, because I learned all I could about the COS, and it is not for me. Ironic too, since I use the handle Xenafan, and I am a huge fan too of sci-fi.

  412. N says

    This is where you guys loss your credibility. Jackie made a mistake and thought it was Miapocca who left the comment but its not so just wait for her to come back to you instead of all ganging up on her and insulting.

    Amy please try to not be a follower and write something interesting instead of following Mia and Lib as always. The only time we hear from you is when you interfere with something that was said to Lib or Mia and you have no interesting input about the cult other than the play ground insults to the cult, Tom cruise and the fans.

  413. says

    I truly enjoyed that article LIB

    more to ponder on

    ” When and why should we take seriously anything coming from Scientology? When are they telling the truth? How do they decide when to tell the truth? Do we know when they are not lying? When they are not presenting a false front? Are we ever going to catch them telling the truth? The unsophisticated targets of deceit don’t care if it is heavenly or earthly. It’s just their money, and their lives, at stake.”

  414. says

    jackie sweetie..where are you??
    Getting directives…..

    and not worry about an opology to me..I didnt expect anything better anyway..just when you were earning a little respect you pull this crap…ahhahahha

    However I think you owe the people you have been decieveing on this site an apology…I am getting giddy waiting to see your next hubbard text book strategy on here…

    Hilarious,,,……………

  415. amy says

    i think jackie is busy deciding whether to say:

    I apologise Miapocca
    or
    I am sorry Miapocca

    either will be fine thanks Jackie..

    followed by a ‘I was WRONG’

  416. says

    Thanks amy and Lib..I cant quite remeber calling his mother names…..oh well…she is following the hubbard textr

    sad when these scientologist believe we are equally gullible..as said previously your best candidate is JEN
    not me , not LIB , not amy, not Orianna and nto Xenafan

    So I will appreciate it if you direct your attention to JEN…and she will be very receptive..refrain from toying with people

    Boy ..you have a lot of explanations to give on here…that is if you still have a moral consience and your lessons in lying havent overtaken your humanity

    Thanks again ppl for the support

  417. amy says

    jackie – the comment you falsely tried to accuse mia of posting was #408 –

    please – feel free to rant at the person who DID post it, i can assure you, i will find her reply to you extremely entertaining!!

    or are you only assigned to shadow mia and lib?

    i really wish they would put clams with higher IQ’s on this shift…its just not challenging…you are laughable..

  418. says

    H I L A R I O U S

    I have a emeter of my own… Its called JACKIE …she only shows up when she thinks there in danger of another person joining me in examining the cult

    ahhahahhahah

    HILARIOUS

  419. Libraesque says

    Xenafan.., powerful post, thank you for sharing your experience

    Jackie you have lost credibility even in the half-wit category as far as I’m concerned. Your comments about the anti-COS sites and the anti-religion sites were UNBELIEVABLE. These two couldn’t be any further apart, as the anti-cos sites are full of FIRST HAND accounts from ex-members, whereas the other anti-religion sites are pontificating on a subject where there is only faith and interpretation!!! How could anyone be so naive and unintelligent as to confuse the two?????

    and this comment from Jackie:

    “But think about it, aren’t there people who are profiting from the war in Iraq? So much life lost and I do not hear any one riling against them”

    is quite possibly the most idiotic thing I think I’ve EVER read. Trying to distract from the content of this thread with THAT?????
    I’ve got news for you Jackie, that’s what’s known as OFF TOPIC, we’re on a Katie thread here, her husband is TC, he’s a scientologist, go to a war board to discuss Iraq

  420. amy says

    JACKIE – CLAM
    why do you feel the need to discredit miapocca at any chance…
    you must feel REALLY REALLY STUPID hey…i mean…
    it wasn’t HER that posted the comments you have just accused her of…it was another poster altogether..
    i am sure she shall be awaiting your apology…as we all shall be…
    and as for the added comment of

    “Miapocca, that was cheap, classless and trashy, even for someone like you!!!!”

    what is that supposed to mean…you sure are getting personal and nasty aren’t you..

    now, go back and read WHO wrote WHAT…
    then..
    come back and APOLOGISE…

  421. says

    Where did you get that from?????..

    “So Jen, Jackie, and anyone else who likes that son of a whore with his alien offspring and robot wife: FUCK OFF!’

    I dont recall calling cruises mother that name/……

    FYI there are ppl who insist on hijacking my name sometimes..I make no apologies jackie…try all you can you are a scientologist who is here to decieve people and you see me as a threat especially when Orianna and Xena fan voice thier explicit thoughts against your cult.

    Argue with me all you want but dont try and sway people with some made up comments….frankly you scientologists are tex book cases in your reactions towards your perceived threats..

    Bring out my “crimes” ahahha

    I never said I was nice so I dont think that will dmange my credibility at all…it s you who owes orianna a response and you also owe the ppl on here an explanation as you when you surface when you think that I have managed to convince someone…In reality I dont convince them..they already had thier minds made up before they started reading more literature
    Also why pretend you are something you are not and why havent you aswered Orianna questions about your status..not that I care..but I think you are pathetic…

    I am not in a cult..I dont need people to like me and making up comments will not damage my credibility with the folk here because I know what I know

    Go dig up more crimes and make me pee in my pants..I love it…whoever wrote that did me justice adn one thing..I dont use spell check so you might want to make the sentence look more credible by misspelling

    ahahha

    HILARIOUS

    Is it a crime to say what I think about a celeb..only in jackie land…I mean what can you do to me..send me to jail for being mean…I am waiting ..call the popo..ahahhaha

    Poor Jackie

  422. says

    Xenafan..

    I was just goign to say that your comments will bring the resident scientologits to the site to peddle her wares..and I was not wrong..whe beat me to the line hahaha

    Thats JACKIE

    so this is how jackie begun her campaign…first behave like she is freinds with everyone…get credibility and the question us on what we have don e to help those firemen…straight from hubbards text book

    “Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist. Because they do” (Hubbard, in Foster, 1971, p. 147).”

    Elfman used the same tatics…the sad thing is because they are so uneducated themselves(applies to the celebs mianly, since there are very educated ones )..they dont realise that all their shit is on the internet and therefore we sort of percieve their reactions just like they have been tutored to communicate deceptively to u s”raw meat”

    But frankly the indoctrination of cruise is the easier of all since he cant even read and still cant but claims his dyslexia is cured…I am apt to wonder if they are printing special documents for him that makes him think her can read….The American Dyslexia Association came after him prettry hard for those statements he made about scn curing Dyslexia

    These people need to chill and cruise needs to stop proseltizing…elfman is just low grade bozo who thinks she can get special favours by kissing the messiash behind’,…she is pathetic in her defense because ppl like will smith will be more believed than her crazy self…

    Anyway Jackie never answered ORIANNA on her use of emeter and if she was peddling to her kids as well

    FYI,…hope you get the picture

  423. Jackie says

    Miapocca,

    ‘So Jen, Jackie, and anyone else who likes that son of a whore with his alien offspring and robot wife: FUCK OFF!’

    Miapocca, that was cheap, classless and trashy, even for someone like you!!!!

    I can bet you it will not get your point across.

  424. Jackie says

    Xenafan, I am sorry to hear about your father. Tom did do his best for the 9/11 victims, obviously to you and others here, it wasn’t good enough. Thank you very much for your contribution and for all you did. Unfortunately, you are not a celebrity so it is hard to get is publicised. It is O.K since you say you do not want it publicised any way. We can’t all be the same. You helped the best way you knew how, Tom is also helping the best way he knows how. I am sure he means no harm to any one. if you do not like what he is doing, am sorry you have nothing you can do about it. That is life, you win some, you lose some. Slagging Tom Cruise and his young wife is not going to change a thing about the Detox program. Negativity never accomplished anything and bitterness will not make you any happier. Will it?

  425. amy says

    Xenafan96

    truly, it was only either the scienotology plants or ‘clams’ as they are techically called, and the complete and utter mindless idiots that actually jumped to the stupid conclusion about your post re your father…

    you didn’t actually imply anything of the sort, these people look at any chance to jump and discredit anyone who has a contary belief to that of theirs and it terrifies them when ANYONE on these sites dares to point out the truth behind the PR crap…

    the reason that there are a lot of scietologists trawling sites like this is that they prefer to prey on the vulnerable..and sites like this have a lot to offer…mothers, often at home and isolated from day to day society, star struck obsessives, wanna be’s, the lonely whose only social life is this kind of forum..

    also, they obviously need to promote their biggest money earner and (albeit indirectly) best recruiter to the cult, and they need to make sure they put down and discredit anyone who dares to say anything negative about their cult..

    it sickens me that someone like cruise is praised and praised over his 9/11 ‘work’

    (oh, he got dressed up, had his pics taken, made a speech then ate an expensive dinner)

    wheras the true hero’s, as you so rightly said, have often gone unrecognised and will carry the emotional scars with them for the work they did do for a long long tim…

    just ignore the clams on here, and don’t let them taint your fathers name again….they are beyond low and are doing a shitty job of promoting their cult by behaving like that…extra sauna’s all round …

  426. says

    Xena fan…I tried to explain some parts of your comments but I have to tell you it gets might irritatign on here when people see the name cruise and rush into blind attack…I am apt to think midget has special powers for this love that they ahve is certainly corrupting their brain cells..its like virus eating at their humanity adn objective reasoning

    Jennifer…lets agree to disagree is a unique expression used by myself and thats because its a direct translation from another language…maybe you can actually think of something original to say than tagging on and borrowing phrases from people you dont like

    I challenge you to read the link that LIB provided and come back with some analysis and a hopefully a scientology link that will dispprove that article//

    Waiting…hopefully we can clear the myth of your stupidty sometime soon, so everyone can leave you alone to do your updates on tomkat…which I am sure is very much appreciated by some ppl on here…I looked up you last link..so there…good work on that

  427. Xenafan96 says

    Wow-Ok.
    Kelly-My dad had a stroke(his second one btw) on September 9th, 2001. If the COS and/or Tom Cruise had anything to do with it, I’ll hand the planet over to them right now. He had a stroke due to high blood pressure and diabetes. I never meant to imply that Tom Cruise was responsible(???????????) I just wanted to point out that he wasn’t doing anything to help anyone when 9/11 happened yet now he wants to be lauded for the successful ‘clinic’ they run now in NYC. The firefighters and police that I do know that did go to NYC think that the whole deal is a sham to introduce new people to COS. And, I did help with 9/11. I am a Mortician and I provided families affected near me with dignified burials at no cost. I didn’t get on TV praising my ‘great efforts’, or charge $6k for a plate of food to fund my work, I did my job as I am supposed to, dignified and with the utmost respect for the family. I don’t think alot of America really looks at the workers at Ground Zero as much as they should and see what they went through. We are on a site about babies and life, so I will not go into detail about the aftermath and the cleanup. It broke even the strongest mens’ minds seeing it and I just think therapy is the best solution for that.
    Also, anyone who thought I might have used my father as a device to elicit sympathy, that is a misunderstanding. My father was fighting to get out of ICU to go to NYC because he was trained to respond to people in need and he was heartbroken that he could be of no use. I have no doubt in my mind if he had been well, he would have taken off.
    Finally, to answer a couple questions:
    I am a female, a proud wife, and a joyous mother.
    My father survived three more strokes before passing away very peacefully in Hospice on 11/3/04. I was with him 24/7 that last week and still stand in awe of his bravery and his fight. I am honored that I held him as he went to all the family and loved ones we lost.
    When I say there is no free lunch, there is no free lunch. You go to a therapist, you pay for that service. You go to the COS clinic, you are going to be exposed to their ideology and you are not going to get help unless you agree with it. In dealing with bereavement, I cannot in good faith recommend anyone to the COS as I believe more is gained with allowing people to experience the stages of grief with the help of a therapist if needed, and my experience has shown me most need it.

  428. says

    hhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anyway thanks lib for the excellent well written article

    these paragraphs stood out to me

    ____
    “Over the years, Dianetics has been claimed as a cure for cancer, polio, arthritis, migraines, “radiation sickness”, bronchitis, myopia, and asthma. In addition, Hubbard claimed that Dianetics was “the total antidote for the eradication of brainwashing”[sic] (HCOB No. 19, December 1955). There is reportedly one case where a child was raised from the dead through “auditing”. Whatever Dianetics is and does, if anything, it is always presented as a purely secular way to self-improvement, one of countless similar schemes on the market.”

    “Scientology has attracted much attention through its propaganda effort against what it calls psychiatry. This has involved great expense and organizational effort, carried out through a variety of fronts. If the book Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler (Roder, Kubillus, & Burwell, 1995) is a representative example, and I believe it is, it proves decisively that the campaign is rooted in total paranoia and pathetic ignorance. Reading this book, and I will urge you not to waste too much time doing it, makes clear that the authors simply have no idea what psychiatry is. But that is the least of their problems.”

    I guess when you have actually read the literature something make more sense and of course it prevent the stupid questions that arise from certain camps///

  429. amy says

    Lauren

    you say you haven’t read that anyone has been offended by jen and her comments…i am sorry that this web page doesn’t come in a braille format for you, you are very mistaken on that fact lauren

    ok, so jen can’t ‘buzz off’ but i can ‘get lost’? hmm…ok…’nice’!!

    yes, as you said,we all have a right to our own opinion, although it appears to me that if your opinion on tomkat isn’t one of mindless ‘ooh, love her shoes, he’s so wonderful’ then you are abused, name called and treated like a second rate troubl maker…

    it’s no wonder it ends up getting personal and nasty…

    jen contradicts herself and has double standards, ie, it is alright for her to behave in a certain manner though unacceptable for others to do so….

    i couldn’t quite decipher the last bits you posted, though it appears you are saying one of us who pick on jen are amirerers of a cult…lol, very funny…again, sorry this thread isn’t in braille for you…

    the next time you plan on jumping in, even though it was more than likely in your best intentions at the defence of someone you felt was being unjustly picked on,

    please – ensure you are aware of all the incidences which have precluded the comments you refer to…

  430. Jen says

    Amy, I’m neither ignorant or ill mannered! I did read your apology but before I can reply you were accusing me of sounding like a scientologist plant on these threads when I’ve stated that I wasn’t many times and to me that is an insult and another time on a different thread you and MIA called me all sort of name assuming I was another Jennifer from another site and when MIA apologized you went on with out acknowledging me so that is the reason in this thread I want after the apology because I thought you were going to ignore my comment again.

    Let just agree to disagree about this and move on. I’m finished work and heading home so in case you asked me something and I don’t reply don’t assuem I’m being rude.

  431. Shadow Girl says

    OMG, this is just too priceless!

    Jen, why are you behaving like a whiny little brat, hmm? After those last two posts, I do tend to think that you’re a little twat with nothing better to do than to challenge us.

    Go read the literature. We all have our well informed opinions. I never liked Tom and have never seen any of his movies. He’s a narcissistic douchebag, nicknamed Tom Crude by me.

    Actually, my dad calls him that all the time.

    My question for all the lovers out there of the douchebag: Why in the blue fuck would anyone give a shit about this mugger for the camera, this sausage nosed little midget who’s blatant about his religion(use the term very loosely), and insults mentally challanged people?

    I can’t see how anyone would love him as an actor, either. I consider actors the people who GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL and been on to COLLEGE or some higher form of ACTING CLASSES.

    Tom just mugs for the camera. He’s never had any professional training in acting, he’s grown to think his way is the right way. Uh, hello? Even I can tell the difference between mugging and sincerely acting. I was an actress myself once and I know how these things work!

    So Jen, Jackie, and anyone else who likes that son of a whore with his alien offspring and robot wife: FUCK OFF!

  432. says

    picking in JEN hahhaha

    She is the one who cant let alone and she cannot under any circumstances in her defense of some midget say whatever she pleases…being a tomkat is not carte blanche to spew stupid comments..I doubt the midget will appreciate it

    Besides I am glad she is sticking what she knows best..one liner updates on tomkat..thats what fans do I guess..??

    Pathetic waste of brain power….

  433. Libraesque says

    I read a very, very interesting article this weekend, I would urge everyone to read it. It’s very long, but VERY informative.

    Just to re-emphasize the fact that the COS is nothnig but a money grubbing cult, that preys on weakened people who have been through terrible tragedys, in Sept 2001 Fox News was given a hotline number that they unfortunately didn’t thouroughly check out, probably because of the name National Mental Health Assistance.
    They ran the number in a scroll while reporting on the terrorist attacks. It was later learned that the COS was behind the bogusly named hotline. It was the COS, once again seeing dollar signs in the victims. When called upon to explain, a spokesman not only lied about the name, but lied that the callers were being directed to $cien. teachings for help.
    However, when a reporter later called the hotline he was urged to read a $cieno pamphlet and visit any nearby center.
    They did it again with the detox center, and I believe Tom’s involvement in the event this year was ONLY a PR move to help re-build his image.

  434. amy says

    and the ignoring of the apology you went on and on for?

    or are you merely ill mannered as opposed to ignorant?

    and NO i am not being insulting here, i am just curious…as i personally found that baffling

  435. Lauren says

    I tried to check the pictures of Tomkat with Victoria at Katieholmes.com but it is not letting me…can I see those pictures somewhere else?

  436. Jen says

    Amy, I’ve said get lost and my reason is below….if that offended you then I apologies. But I’ve read you say more insulting words than that before.

    #154. amy | April 27th, 2007 at 9:40 am

    and YES you do sound like a scientologist plant on these threads

    #155. Jen | April 27th, 2007 at 9:47 am

    Amy, just get lost!!! I’ve nothing more to say to a person who constantly tries to get her point across by insulting people.

  437. Lauren says

    Why are you picking on JEN? You’ve your right to your opinion and so does she. Why should she BUZZ off? If she wants to defend Tom Cruise then let her or is she getting to you? I haven’t read anyone who is offended by her or people saying they don’t like her comments. I actually like JEN she is always providing new info about Tomkat obviously she is a loyal fan and you sound like a loyal admire of the cult and they is place for both in this world so lighten up woman.

  438. amy says

    JEN

    telling someone to ‘GET LOST’ after they genuinely and sincerely apologised to you for a mistake they made IS personal and nasty,
    as well as rude,
    ignorant and arrogant, particularly when you went on and on and on in my absence for the apology, even making comments as to the kind of person i was for not immediatly giving you one..

    and yes, you HAVE asked for proof of opinions/thoughts, of which Mia supplied for you

    i started my comments to you extremely politely above, and your manner dragged it down to a personal level

  439. says

    buzz of JEN…I am yet to read any thing of profound importnace from your various tag ons…the only reason I ever took notice of you was from previous statements attacking anyone with a diffrent opinion!!

    It may even suprise you to note that I dont agree with every single opinion on here, but I am still able to carry on a conversation with them…

    Even Jackie, I have respect for because she makes her point effectively, with some misinformation at times (note: she mentioned changes to LRons Writings!. which is a NO NO in scn)

    You on the other hand have to continuously claim every statement as some deliberate attack on Midget and I cant for the love of XENU understand that nonsense..

    Now BUZZ off…go find a funny clip or look at pictures of the little mouse and have a laugh…laughter does wonders for your state of mind….Or rather ignore my advice and be miserable simply because you dont like my opinions on midget…

    Frankly I dont think y ou are mean..just challenged and as irritating as a student who dont do assigned reading , …….

    You will earn my respect when you write something knowledgeable and of interest other than tag ons, shallow questions and silliness

    I am also reviewing a study about the effect of a mother’s intelligence on her childrens social sucess..so I sincerely hope that for the sake of any chidlren you have or plan to have..you wise up quick!!

    In case you havent got it yet.,..just ignore me and you wont get a response from me…

  440. Jen says

    MIA SIAD
    you think you are not attacking but in reality the silly questions about asking them to proove thier opinions is a form of bullying
    ———————————————————————————-

    ARE YOU FOR REAL? I’ve NEVER ASKED prove to their opinion or thought!!!

  441. says

    i am currently reading a study of ADD and effect of Ritalin…I bet midget will flip over if actually knew that science studies all this before drugs are released…………….compared to his unproven garbage from a high school drop out who is challenged in his reading skills

    Did you guys read about L Ron having an accident and trying to cure himself ,,but her he was in so much agony ,finally had to seek medical help, when he realised he had no powers nor the know how to treat himself..Apparently he realised that his own mortality from that accidents……

    I sincerely hope no one in that cruise household falls ill or else its going to be a media feild day…with Conor and Isabell I am sure nicole willnto hesitate to medicate if she is ever made aware of any sever sickcnesses…with Suri it can getdangerous.,…I pray that chld never gets an ailment in her life…….or those two will surely kill her…

  442. Jen says

    WOW amy, are you mistaking me for someone else? When did I get personal? To my knowledge you and I had a discussion about LIB when you thought I called her naive. So WHAT are you talking about? You are even worse than MIA….OMG please let me know when I got personal and nasty to you or to anyone everything I said is here in writing. I’m 24 years old not 12 and I don’t insult people like you do!

  443. says

    another crap from JEN.,..blaming others for your lack of politesness…classic..its like LRON saying the devil made me do it……..

    How on earth am I to be blamed for your lack of humanity towards o